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| Quote John_D="John_D"[url=http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/11/16/uk-christian-man-refuses-to-drive-bus-because-of-stonewall-gay-rights-poster/Like this dude[/url?'"
Yep. If his views stop him from driving a bus then he should leave or be removed from his job.
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| Two points:
1) At no time have I seen reference to any church being forced to conduct gay marriages, the proposal is a civil marriage and if any church so wishes, it can (not must) conduct a same-sex marriage.
Does kirkstaller know what OMG means? (And please don't come back with "Oh my gosh"icon_wink.gif If he does, is he happy with his blasphemy?
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Two points:
1) At no time have I seen reference to any church being forced to conduct gay marriages, the proposal is a civil marriage and if any church so wishes, it can (not must) conduct a same-sex marriage.
Does kirkstaller know what OMG means? (And please don't come back with "Oh my gosh"icon_wink.gif If he does, is he happy with his blasphemy?'"
Quite, but it doesn't fit in with their propaganda.
And I'd like to retract my first statement until I can find out who funds specific churches, if they're supplemented by the tax payer then everyone has a right to marry there.
I wouldn't force the priest/bishop to perform the ceromoney though.
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Two points:
1) At no time have I seen reference to any church being forced to conduct gay marriages, the proposal is a civil marriage and if any church so wishes, it can (not must) conduct a same-sex marriage.
Does kirkstaller know what OMG means? (And please don't come back with "Oh my gosh"icon_wink.gif If he does, is he happy with his blasphemy?'"
Quite, but it doesn't fit in with their propaganda.
And I'd like to retract my first statement until I can find out who funds specific churches, if they're supplemented by the tax payer then everyone has a right to marry there.
I wouldn't force the priest/bishop to perform the ceromoney though.
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"Two points:
1) At no time have I seen reference to any church being forced to conduct gay marriages, the proposal is a civil marriage and if any church so wishes, it can (not must) conduct a same-sex marriage. '"
It's easy to say that now, but it's a certainty to happen.
How long will it take for some liberal Christian or cantankerous gay campaigner to go running to Strasbourg?
Quote cod'eadDoes kirkstaller know what OMG means? (And please don't come back with "Oh my gosh"icon_wink.gif If he does, is he happy with his blasphemy?'"
I thought it meant 'Oh My Gosh', though I'm aware of the alternative usage. I try not to blaspheme but sometimes I can't fight my sinful nature.
Good job I have a Saviour. Have you?
Remember - life is not a test.
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| Quote Sheldon="Sheldon"And I'd like to retract my first statement until I can find out who funds specific churches, if they're supplemented by the tax payer then everyone has a right to marry there.'"
What a silly thing to say. Paying tax doesn't afford everyone the right to every service.
Do 40 year olds have the right to go to primary school?
Do male victims of domestic abuse have the right to go to a publicly-funded women's shelter?
Do the non-disabled have the right to home help?
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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"It's easy to say that now, but it's a certainty to happen.
How long will it take for some liberal Christian or cantankerous gay campaigner to go running to Strasbourg?
I thought it meant 'Oh My Gosh', though I'm aware of the alternative usage. I try not to blaspheme but sometimes I can't fight my sinful nature.
Good job I have a Saviour. Have you?
Remember - life is not a test.'"
If you try not to blaspheme, how come you post continuous hatred and bigotry?
the sooner you are reunited with your god the better
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| Quote Sheldon="Sheldon"And I'd like to retract my first statement until I can find out who funds specific churches, if hey're supplemented by the tax payer then everyone has a right to marry there.'"
They are not supplemented by taxes at all. Churches pay their taxes, same as any other organisation. They are funded by churchgoers and investments made by the relevant denomination.
Some church schools are part financed by taxes.
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"1) At no time have I seen reference to any church being forced to conduct gay marriages, the proposal is a civil marriage and if any church so wishes, it can (not must) conduct a same-sex marriage. '"
That is what the situation is at present. A church can, if it so wishes, bless a civil partnership. However, Stonewall wants to go further than that and people of faith - Jews, Christians, Muslims and maybe other faiths too - do not want that.
As for the OP, I am very glad that the man has won his case. However, he has not been reinstated to his old job and therefore he has only half won his case. He should now sue to be reinstated, if that is actually possible. Given that the judge decided his contract had been breached then he should now be returned to the terms of his original contract as otherwise surely Trafford Housing are acting unlawfully?
It would have been a sad day for this country if he had lost: to not be free to post your personal opinion on your (private) Facebook page in your own time about an issue that was not even directly connected to your employment without fear of being punished by your employer would have been a sinister development.
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| Quote SaintsFan="SaintsFan"That is what the situation is at present. A church can, if it so wishes, bless a civil partnership. However, Stonewall wants to go further than that and people of faith - Jews, Christians, Muslims and maybe other faiths too - do not want that.
As for the OP, I am very glad that the man has won his case. However, he has not been reinstated to his old job and therefore he has only half won his case. He should now sue to be reinstated, if that is actually possible. Given that the judge decided his contract had been breached then he should now be returned to the terms of his original contract as otherwise surely Trafford Housing are acting unlawfully?
It would have been a sad day for this country if he had lost: to not be free to post your personal opinion on your (private) Facebook page in your own time about an issue that was not even directly connected to your employment without fear of being punished by your employer would have been a sinister development.'"
Good post.
Sadly, I fear we have reached the stage where any opinion which runs contrary to the liberal Guardianista elite is derided as 'bigotry' and its proponent vilified and prosecuted. Thank Heaven for small mercies such as this.
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| Quote kirkstaller="kirkstaller"Sadly, I fear we have reached the stage where any opinion which runs contrary to the liberal Guardianista elite is derided as 'bigotry' and its proponent vilified and prosecuted. Thank Heaven for small mercies such as this.'"
The ruling sets a positive precedent IMO. For too long Councils have been enjoying increasing freedom to interfere in areas they have no right to interfere and this was a particularly vindictive example. The message is now out that there is such a place as private and such a thing as a valid personal opinion, and work has no reach there.
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| Jesus, are you still feeding this troll?
Don't argue with Kirkstaller, don't give him chance to air his medievel views, he'll get bored and go away.
(Or, as I suspect, create another identity and come back with a different set of beliefs.)
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