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| Quote Man in Madrid="Man in Madrid"TBH, she's pretty clued up: I expected much worse from a tory minister.'"
She must've been bloody well briefed then because she's never come across as particularly bright or knowledgeable on transport matters.
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| [url=http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-do-tanker-drivers-earn-45k/10116?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterThe +£45k myth exposed[/url
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| The rich, the priority must be to reduce tax for people who earn more than £150k w@nkers don't know much worth knowing? OMG, tbh, Wow! Amazing!
Otherwise, what would you expect?
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| Quote billypop="billypop"The rich, the priority must be to reduce tax for people who earn more than £150k w@nkers don't know much worth knowing? OMG, tbh, Wow! Amazing!
Otherwise, what would you expect?'"
Am I the only one totally stumped by this, and indeed by everything this Billypop character writes???.... 
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"[url=http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-do-tanker-drivers-earn-45k/10116?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterThe +£45k myth exposed[/url'"
I have read that i am on 60 k for a 3 day week. It was in the wail so it must be true
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| Quote hopps="hopps"I have read that i am on 60 k for a 3 day week. It was in the wail so it must be true'"
And all you do on those three shifts is get your head down, safe in the knowledge that the alarm will sound in time for you to switch the points for the 03.45 up-train to Much Binding in the Marsh
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| Quote cod'ead="cod'ead"[url=http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-do-tanker-drivers-earn-45k/10116?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterThe +£45k myth exposed[/url'"
It's not exposed at all, it's supported if anything.
Quote cod'ead="Emma Thelwell"An annual salary of £45,000 is however quite plausible – but only if they put in extra hours in overtime.'"
So she agrees that if they do overtime the figure is quite plausible. Given that the media have been banging on all week about how there are too few qualified drivers to support current demand by around 2,000, it's very likely that they all have the opportunity to earn overtime. Which is something the quoted driver admits happens 'every shift'.
Quote cod'ead="Quoted Driver"We’re guaranteed basic hours BUT we don’t do basic hours we are routed to max every shift. Due to redundancies less driver > work'"
So he's saying they are always doing overtime. So they are in fact very likely to be averaging earnings of £45,000 a year in a relatively stable and safe industry.
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| I don't begrudge them what they earn. Good on em. I could earn more if I did all the overtime that I was offered but you cannot put a price on time off and seeing your family. My basic hours are still far more than some do in a week
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| It's not supported, it merely shows misleading and incorrect information given out by those that have precipitated this crisis.
A salary is a fixed amount, the ONS shows the average salary is around the £35,000 quoted by the Unions than the £45,000 quoted by the crisis-causing government.
Since the government are constantly banging on about people working more why are they then decrying those that choose to work overtime? And why did they lie about the average salary? Or "average" and "salary", like "jerrycan",words this government don't fully understand?
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| Quote Him="Him"It's not supported, it merely shows misleading and incorrect information given out by those that have precipitated this crisis.
A salary is a fixed amount, the ONS shows the average salary is around the £35,000 quoted by the Unions than the £45,000 quoted by the crisis-causing government.
Since the government are constantly banging on about people working more why are they then decrying those that choose to work overtime? And why did they lie about the average salary? Or "average" and "salary", like "jerrycan",words this government don't fully understand?'"
So you are falling back on a pedantic difference in words between 'salary' and 'earnings' over this, despite them claiming it's not about pay anyway?
The truth is they are highly paid as drivers go, earning £45k on average. They also work in an industry with an excellent H&S record. They don't want their cushy position to be compromised and feel it has been, but the issues they have are minor.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"So you are falling back on a pedantic difference in words between 'salary' and 'earnings' over this, despite them claiming it's not about pay anyway?
The truth is they are highly paid as drivers go, earning £45k on average. They also work in an industry with an excellent H&S record. They don't want their cushy position to be compromised and feel it has been, but the issues they have are minor.'"
Yes forgive me for expecting the government to know what the words they are saying actually mean. The rest of your first paragraph makes no sense.
Yes they are highly paid as drivers go. That's because the job they do is more important and dangerous than most drivers jobs. The fact they get paid more than regular drivers is irrelevant, it's called a market rate. By "cushy" position I assume you mean the "excellent H&S record" which the management are trying to erode. Damn those greedy drivers for not wanting to die at work.
The ONS and that article clearly shows they aren't paid on average £45k. Only someone who doesn't understand the meaning of the word average could take that article as saying they are paid on average £45k.
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| Quote Him="Him"Yes forgive me for expecting the government to know what the words they are saying actually mean. The rest of your first paragraph makes no sense.
Yes they are highly paid as drivers go. That's because the job they do is more important and dangerous than most drivers jobs. The fact they get paid more than regular drivers is irrelevant, it's called a market rate. By "cushy" position I assume you mean the "excellent H&S record" which the management are trying to erode. Damn those greedy drivers for not wanting to die at work.
The ONS and that article clearly shows they aren't paid on average £45k. Only someone who doesn't understand the meaning of the word average could take that article as saying they are paid on average £45k.'"
The article quotes the Office for National Statistics. In a battle between them and the company who released their average earnings figures, I know who I would believe. In any case the figures quoted are purely for drivers of large goods vehicles and are not specific to this industry. So the article is taking an irrelevant statistic gathered no doubt on a voluntary form and extrapolated by the ONS then making an assumption about the top 10%. Given the numbers of drivers mentioned in the article, it wouldn't exclusively be fuel tanker drivers making up that top 10% so her deductions are flawed and based on flawed statistics.
Given the evidence in that article there is nothing to suggest that the fuel tanker drivers involved do not earn £45k a year on average.
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