So another season starts 3 games in and we've mustered 1 win and 2 bonus points...

Lets analyse some of things people are talking about.



We could have easily won all 3

Which we could, we didn't though.



We have new signing's, new partnerships need to be struck up.

Agreed, so do other sides though, and why do we keep coming back to this problem.



You don't win any trophies this early.

Yes, but you can certainly lose them.



Crowds are flat, atmosphere isn't what it was even a few years ago.

It isn't what is was, we're all part of that, the Rugby is poor, we've gone from one extreme to the other.



The Coach is lambasting players in public for mistakes

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, players need confidence and the freedom to play, people will run through brick walls for the right coach/captain. No class from Karl here, his own shoulders are big enough.



Michael Steele thinks we all need to bring an extra person to the games

Ok Michael, do you want me to lose my friends, if they came and watched the tripe we are being served i'd be embarrassed. I'm gonna do damage to my own credibility if i start telling people the dross we get served is the most entertaining way to spend a Sunday Afternoon.



Rent Issue

Embarrassing, just embarrassing, in the right, in the wrong, doesn't matter, we handled it poorly, luckily it was money owed to the council, and they are also up to their necks in the Shay shenanigans.



General impressions of the place

The players don't look fit, the dugout looks like a Post Office queue on a Monday morning, 6 kit men, even the Dallas Cowboys wont have that many? a TV Manager? 3 people choosing who presses play to an AC/DC track or Your Fax are on Fire, The Harveys Suite still looks like million miles from the normal Fan experience, the home shirt is dreadful. On paper everything looks fine though, doesn't it?



In Short

The usual bluster coming out of the club about what a big year it is, and how things are developing on and off the field. The bottom line is though, and people need to really focus on this, the Rugby is poor and the crowds are dwindling. For heavens sake, don't any of you dare criticise anyone at the Club! you're only part of a dwindling pool of consumers, why should they listen to you! They need a win tomorrow or I fear the worst. this years positives, Ben Johnstone and Ross Divorty.



One final word.

Didn't anyone question last week when we had a penalty and set of 6 on the Batley line, we took off Tony Tonks, our most damaging player, the one most likely to crash over the line, he wasn't tired, he was playing well, he didn't want to go off, his look and gesture said it all. If the plan was to take Tony off at a precise time regardless of the match situation, well done, a great success Karl, Lee and co, well done....

Pretty much agree withe above.

Will wait until after tomorrow's match to make further comment, hopefully I will be in a position to make wonderful positive comments on the great win and the style in which we achieved it.

Chris, for you to say that you left the Trust because the trust was too close to the club. In defence of the trust board I can say you are absolutely wrong, in fact you are way off the mark. The trust is proud of the fact that they are independent of the club, and always have been, and always will be. When you set up the Trust, where were you for the first seven years that I was the Chairman?

The money raised by the trust in support of the junior teams is fantastic, over the past few years they have contributed well over £100.000.



Message to the trust board. If you are going to make statements on social media, make sure the content is passed before going into print

What the trust do is great. No one can knock that. However it's all secrets now unless you attend or join, not everyone cares that much to be perfectly frank and those that do are starting to care less.



The club is going backwards at a alarming rate IMO, nothing positive has come out since the fantastic support shown at the World Cup. Another wasted opportunity and I have to say the board are just too old and set in their ways. Leigh have a fantastic new board and are absolutely soaring both on and off the field and all that has come from some terrible few years, that shows what an be achieved with desire and ambition, we have already started making excuses only 3 games in that we can't compete.

Malcolm and Chris's little discussion above is quite telling.

I particularly like the comment about them and us...

There is a [ithem and us [/i in my opinion, but, then there is the fan who's not got a job on the inside, who isn't a member of a trust, they are just the people that turn up and pay full whack, buy a golden gamble, a programme, a shirt from the club shop, a couple of drinks, a bite to eat, chuck money in whatever bucket collection is going round, for gods sake don't listen to them, they are only your customers





Lets stop treating the club like the property of the [i1986 I was in the bootroom reunion club[/i.



Well never have another 1986 without wholesale changes, its gone.. it was a one off.



Time for the Board to get a hold of the situation and start pushing forward with fresh ideas, I don't want see how far the Board, Trusts and Club gets without punters, because its not very far at all, It can take years to win a Customer, but only seconds to lose one. Oh and please don't be afraid to get rid of people that have been down their for decades, freshen the god dam place up for before its too late, and while im on it, Rhino! kindly move upstairs and let a hungrier coach have a shot, your mojos gone, you've got the lads scared to play attacking Rugby, they are in straight jackets every Sunday and its woeful viewing.



Theres a whiff of decay down there.

Mal in all due respect don't post about things you clearly have no idea about. You also were not involved in the trust in my latter 2 years involvement. I seem to remember (although I could be wrong) that you resigned over wranglings within the Trust over the club repeatedly coming to the Trust to purchase things for the club such as a t-shirt printer or laminator and a host of other things and certain trust board members not bring happy. Or should I say the club approached you and not the trust which should have been the proper channel. It's still the same now with yourself and Hilda involved in the club as you are/were it's very tough to have an independent stance as the club has a hold over you. It was these continued issues and disagreements plus my continued work commitments and 4 kids etc that stopped my involvement as my time just wasn't there.

Finally when I was one of the original founders of the Trust way back then we met in the Barum Top pub and laid the foundations which is now the trust.....long before you got involved!! We set up all the legal stuff and got everything in place and I was proud to be involved ..... So again please wind your neck in about stuff you had zero involvement in or know nothing about. Again as someone back then who was in my twentys, setting up the Trust which was extremely time consuming my time started to be quickly taken up with my job etc but I don't really see why I should explain myself. I've stated to many people that the Trust is too close to the club to be truly Independant. The club pulls the strings with people like yourself and Hilda who sit in the Trust board. They use you to influence the Trust from inside the club, which I saw first hand so please tell me how it's changed..... If indeed anything has...??

Last post about the trust board being in the clubs pocket is spot on in my opinion

Does anyone older than three know what was said then?

I was not aware that some of the fans thought the club directors pulled my strings, to the point that I would influence the Trust board in favour of the club.

I have nothing to do with the Trust, not on the board, not a member.

If I've upset you I'm sorry, not my way of working.

If the fans think the Trust is in the pocket of the club they should join the Trust to make a difference.

This is my last year as a volunteer at the club.

I'm already looking forward to next year, being a fan and not worrying about the club or it's future.

Chris, keep doing what you do, keep the club on its toes.

Remember the future's bright it's Blue and White.





have a nice day all, and let's have a great game tomorrow.

Malcolm, next year will be interesting for you then, you can become a member of the disgruntled terraces, and be taken for granted, expected to turn up, told to bring friends, expected to buy shirts, hand over money, and be completely sidelined and ignored by people on boards and trusts that have been doing the same things they have for decades, you can bow to Queen Hilda, and chuckle for the 14th time as Dave Fleming recounts a story he hasn't aired for a season and a half. You better get your throat cleared though because despite the Rugby being poor, you'll be expected to cheer the house down and sing your little heart out. Don't forget to turn up next week too, they need your cash. Oh and don't forget to be really excited when our huge announcements are raffles and journeymen second rowers.

Ya just put a big cheesy grin on this old man's face. Don't know if I'll be tough enough to do what needs to be done, one thing, I aint crossing my old mate Hilda Hardy, she's too tough for me.

It's a shame this thread has developed into a fall out,

The question I posed (Can someone let us know what went on) resulted in the following retort







Perhaps that was an ill conceived response, but despite all the pages that have followed we still do not know the content of the meeting.



So for the benefit of all of us, some of us are members, but could not attend.

WHAT THE """" WAS DISCUSSED.