Why does Batemans name keep getting brought up? Chris there is some over rated players in the game, but he is close to top. Not done anywhere near enough to warrant an international shirt.

Probably better for batemans health if he does not turn out against the Aussies . They won't stand for his cheap shot tactics.

Somebody has told me jimmy lowes is part of the coaching team. I sincerely hope that's not true.

Whoever told you that would be correct, i think he's been selected for familiarity, he was there back in 2011?

Would have Walmsley ahead of Hill- Walmsley and Cuthbertson are standouts for me this year in SL. Reeds had his best year in NRL and has to be in there imo. Mike Cooper has to be in the team- was unlucky to miss out last year and has been killing it this year in NRL, often starting at loose or prop, where as T Burgess has been very average this year at souths. Stevie Ward would have definitely been in there but missed too much of the season due to injury- if he gets back to where he was for the rest of the season, would pick him but I rate bateman- been a standout in the wigan pack this year ahead of tomkins and farell, and adds that thugishness i think we lack on occasion.

Is leeds biased as leeds have been the most in form and consistent team this year, if wigan, saints, cas or hudds were 6 points clear lets say and in cup final, I'm sure it would more biased towards them

Hardaker

Briscoe

Watkins

Sarginson

Hall

Widdop

McGuire

Graham

Hodgson

G Burgess

Ferres

Whitehead

Cuthbertson



Cooper

McIlorum

Hill

Walmsley



Squad places for: Hughes, Burgess, Williams, Farrell, Myler, Clark, Shenton

You need some dirty players in international League. Less so against NZ, where you really don't want to be scrapping with their pack, but certainly against the Aussies a bit of niggle would benefit. Would be tempted to pick McIlorum over Roby vs Australia too for that reason.

I'm sorry but talent wins games. Talentless thugs like McIlorum and Bateman have no place in International rugby for me. You can get away with it against equally talentless teams, but good players find the poor ones out.

I don't think they are talentless though (we'll disagree on that). But added to what talents they have they have a bit of side to their game that you still need in internationals.

Bateman is a fantastic prospect. He's one of those people that seems dim away from the pitch, but on it, he has a superb rugby brain. He's got great feet, and pace, and looks a genuine leader. He's as good as Ward IMO. I'm not sure either are big enough at this stage to play test RL, but they've been playing themselves into contention.



A few other players that I don't think will be far away are Greenwood and Savelio at Saints, and unlike Ward and Bateman, they look up to the job physically.

There's also Philbin at Warrington, who looks a real unit, with great pace, and although I didn't see the game last night I've likes what I've seen of Mike McMeekan at Cas. He's the most underrated player in SL IMO.



I'd go with:



Hardaker

Burgess

Watkins

Reed

Hall

Tomkins

Widdop

Graham

Roby

Hill

Whithead

Flanders

Cuthbertson



Hodgson

Walmsley

G Burgess

Ablett

I think the best squad for kiwi tour would be

1 Hardaker

2 Briscoe

3 Watkins

4 Sarginson/Shenton

5 Hall

6 Widdop

7 Mcguire

8 G Burgess

9 J Hodgson

10 J Graham

11 Whitehead

12 Ablett

13 Cuthbertson



Subs

Roby/ Clark

Cooper

Walmersley

T Burgess



Rest of squad S Tomkins, J Burgess, Ferres, S Ward, Hill, Bateman, Singleton,

The international game is too fast for that now. It's all about physical domination in the contact, speed and skill, not about cheep shots and name calling.



Stevie Ward has international written all over him. Athletic, fit, disciplined, strong and skilful.

I don't agree. You need your most elite players. We've tried all that countless times in the past. You waste your time trying to wind up NZ or Australia and all your doing is taking your eye off the ball, they don't get distracted, they step it up.



McIlorum isn't fit to lace Roby's boots. He has no place in International RL.