You don't really need to defend yourself. I was one of the very few who backed the coach last season, mainly because I felt the players were at an end then. I now look back and can honestly say IMO it was a fluke, and players dug deep to prove a wrong with everything they had left inside them.



The two posters you are arguing with can have what ever opinion they like, but quite frankly they are talking out of their bottom. The only proof of that will come if we continue the way we are, which is what they are proposing we do. For any club that seeks success and a desire to be challengers it is posters like that, that hopefully the club will ignore.

Firstly disloyal is total bollox i've followed this great club through much much worse and will do so again.

Calling each game and performance on it's merits IS NOT DISLOYAL neither is pointing out BLATANT FLAWS in the selection and performances.

Also when changes have been suggested it's the very point of rotation and resting whilst also showing been up to scratch on a CONSISTENT basis isn't really good enough especially when you have a 30 man squad with 2 injuries.

My support is unquestioned i attend the games etc etc does that mean i shouldn't say anything if it's negative???

What's the "GREAT PLAN" then JC??

Tell us how long before we are allowed to criticise ,question and offer differing approaches??

I like how you dress it up as the 1st sign of a loss or poor effort we are all out burning dummies and starting protest marches what a load of bollox we've been poor for months.

Yet again same old selection ,same old positions same old mistakes and same old defeats so come on JC you and yer mate tell us How we should support them ,what views we can and can't have and more importantly HOW with changing absolutely NOTHING the coach and team turn it around???

Just whilst yer doing that can you drop a line to the CEO and get on his case for been critical of performances aswell!!

All on the nose. Spot on IMO.



In JP's first carry against wakie he knocked on from a standard Burrow pass. JP laughed. I didn't find it in the slightest bit funny.



2 more years of JP and another benefit year for Kylie leaves me feeling a little empty inside.



As for Sinfield he has to be shifted back into the middle. He was a decent defender there, it worked like clockwork. Would never miss many. Out wide he'd make the tackle if he could get there but he's getting killed left, right and centre for pace.



Lunt is not a BR in the same was as Bails is not a loose. Get the right people in where they are most effective and the whole team benefits.

It's a good point about the ages of these players but I don't see advancing age as a reason to play them out of position.

Maybe that's not what you meant, it just reads that way?







Burrow is half a hooker.

He's OK (and only OK) with ball in hand and even then, apart from the scoot from the ruck, he plays it like a scrum half which is hardly surprising.

Defensively you need a more robust, bigger, haul-'em-down-all-day type (like Diskin was).

Personally, I think a mistake was made during Buderus' tenure in letting Matt Diskin go.

When Buderus was good he was very good, of that there is no doubt, but there were far too many first halves where he put in one good move in the whole 40 mins and then when Diskin came on the whole team lit up.



Sure, we've seen Sinfield at 6 before, far too often IMHO, just because he can make a fist of it when someone is injured doesn't make him a first-choice stand-off.

Sure, he can place the grubber or chip but he can do that from LF too.

Plus, at SO, he moves out to the centres in defence ... but we need him tackling in the middle.



McGuire can play scrum half, with that I agree ... but with him on one side of a specialist hooker and Burrow on the other we had a damn sight more attacking options.

To add to the list above.



Ablett is a second rower playing centre.

Bailey is a prop playing loose.

Hardaker... TBF we don't really know what his natural position is but it sure as Hell isn't a centre.

Lunt coming off the bench to pay at loose.



Oh... and Kirke playing anywhere.

Peacock and Burrow did the self same party trick at Warrington in the last game on two minutes, of course we were already six behind by that stage and twelve behind a couple of minutes later and already on the bus back home.



Just sometimes you've got to see the funny side otherwise you might cry instead. 'We're s[ihi[/it and we we know we are' type of thing.

I personally think that whats wrong with Leeds is a load of little things. Some are bigger than others. Nothing massive, but lots of them. From my view (which is limited like most on here) the coach is responsible for many of them, the CEO a few of them, and the players a few of them.

I don't think we should win every game, or even win something every season. I just would like to see us make the best (or close) of our lot. We are some way from that IMO

The coach is crap, the old players ( and Kirke ) are crap and the pink strip is crap and the south stand is crap....



Just saying

It probably was a wry s, but I didn't care for it.

If the team are playing to a very poor style, with poor completions, little to no structure and consistency with or without the ball, over a number of months, and there is precious little rotation of playing staff, who is responsible for this situation? For me there is only one answer.



If this was a temporary situation, if we showed any consistent level of improvement, or if the poorly performing players were dropped and replaced with others, then you could make a case to support the coaching team. There is absolutely no case to support them in the current position considering the duration that this situation has been in existence.



The players are not entirely blameless, nor is the CEO as he has taken the decisions on contract extensions and signings, but ultimately when it comes to performances on the field over a prolonged period, there is only one place to look.

BM clearly doesn't want the performances we've been putting out, as unlike Sinfield and co he can't point back to a Bennett-esque era from 2004 and be secure in his position regardless of one or two bad years. So the buck will initially stop with him, and it should because he hasn't been able to get decent performances out of the team on a regular basis.



However, any new coach worth his salt would then also look to start with a clean slate, with many existing players (including 'legends') having to prove their worth. GH - well aware of the impact on season tickets - will not be at all happy with a team that for whatever reason decides to try only when they think its important - WCC, CC and play-offs.

From the YEP: It was only Rhinos’ second win in six league matches, but Sinfield said: “There’s loads of time and still a lot of games to play."



Methinks old Kev has let slip the players' real attitude right there.