its very easy to blame bates, but you could equally blame grayson. without actual knowledge of what goes on its just opinions.

Which of course doesn't seem to tally with Leeds' published accounts. Fifa recommend that to be stable a clubs wages should not exceed 70% of their turnover. In the PL most clubs exceed this significantly (hence Bates ambivalence towards promotion). As I mentioned above Leeds' wages to turnover is around 50% and reportedly the lowest in the championship.

Depends what we're talking about though - If its the general running of the club then the buck stops with Bates, if its the recruitment policy at a micro level then yeah who knows how much freedom Grayson has.

the wages may be 50% of the turnover but that doesn't mean players are not earning £10k a week.

the fact is i don't like or trust bates but grayson is totally inept. he has signed so much rubbnish in his time and the team play like strangers. it is a total shambles

Its a real shame what is happening at Elland Road.



For a long time the fans have suffered incompetence, either at board level during the Ridsdale era, or in the dugout now. Bates is clearly a leech on the club, only interested in extracting money, rather than further adding to a glorious history, by making sensible investments that would not add financial risk to the clubs accounts. Whilst he remains as owner, the situation will not change as he has no desire to invest in the club for the benefit of the club or fans, merely to furnish himself with a plaything that sustains his lifestyle.



The next to go will be Snodgrass as the vultures are now circling over the carcass of the club, and the current management will simply see more ££££ to be extracted. After that others will leave, and it will become more and more difficult to bring in players of any kind of quality as the negativity around the club will only increase.



Like I said, it's a shame, and one that won't end until Bates passes away, as there is no way he will sell the club.

Snodgrass terminated contract talks. Can't blame him.

The young, exciting midfield we based all our success over the last few years upon of Kilkenny, Johnson, Gradel, Howson, Snodgrass has now been completely torn apart.

Grayson has his faults but how can he be expected to improve us when this happens. I think he should walk away now, if not he'll be gone by the summer anyway.

it does not fill you with glee



always felt he would bleed the club dry

unfortunately mist clubs end up selling their best players to bigger clubs. its one of the reasons the championship is always so tight. any team who performs well, has their top players poached at the next transfer window. the only way to escape it is to either come from nowhere like QPR, norwich, blackpool etc, or its to become one of the rich boys and find a backer with enough patience to get you up.



this certainly isn't a problem isolated to Leeds.



Personally, I'm not a fan of bates, but I thinkost fans go OTT in their hatred of the man.

I was at the game today - first game I've been to in a while, and to be honest was absolutely disgusted with the majority of the Leeds fans! Ok, ok I get it - most Leeds fans hate Bates, but after a while the incessant chants started to get really boring and annoying! There were 11 players on the pitch who needed the crowd's support, but far too often the crowd were so immersed in their pointless Bates hatred that the action on the pitch became secondary. Yet, in the second half, when the crowd finally did come round to the idea of actually supporting their team, the way the team lifted and the response they gave was clear for any idiot to see.



It always beats the hell out of me why people pay good money to go to Headingley just to stand there and moan the entire time, surrounding themselves and all around them in abject negativity, and it was exactly the same at Elland Road today. Newsflash people, players respond to support - stand there and slag them all off and do you really expect anything to come of it?



As for Bates, what exactly is the point in all the protesting? He's going nowhere, and clearly doesn't care a bit what anyone thinks of him - never has, never will. The chanting will change nothing, and will do nothing other than ruin it for those who actually go purely to try and enjoy the game - for God's sake get behind your team, and save your stupid chants for outside of the game!

i think its a problem with sports fans in general. its exactly the same at Forest. There are some exceptions, but on the whole sport is a painful and frustrating experience, and people like to blame someone.

Leeds lifted when Ipswich went down to ten. Before that we were appalling. Again. The result papers over the cracks

if my memory serves me correctly, its the third game in a row we've played against 10 men, and have only really squeeked past. with 11 we would probably lost most of them.