To be honest, I'd rather have no Leeds players in the England squad.

They deserve a rest

I could be crap playing in the NRL just like Ratboy, does that mean that I should be ahead of Hardaker at FB as well? He's been garbage in the NRL and is up against the MoS so he should be dropped. Widdop and Gale should be 6 & 7.

There are a few selection I don't agree with at all. Smith shouldn't even be getting picked to play for Hunslet Hawks never mind being Englands first choice scrum half, Ferres is there just to make up numbers,Westwood the same, cudjoe is probably last resort at centre for me I don't rate Ben Currie at all and I can't stand Bateman and I don't think he's anything special



Drop all of them then bring in Shenton, Ablett, Mcguire, Cuthbertson, Singleton (for experience) And I think Watts deserves a place



Also get the captaincy away from o'loughlin Graham would be a much better choice

I will continue to regard McGuire as a no 6 not a scrum half.

Personally I'd sooner see him have a full off season than play in a meaningless series vs the Kiwis.

I don't rate Matty Smith either & would rather see Widdop & Tomkins at 6 & 7 with Hardaker at FB.

Of the those I'd consider a true scrum half Gale has been the best English qualified player in that position this season.

The Leeds scrum half played him off the park last night.

he was superb and has been generally all season.Big game player as proved again, and my odds of 14/1 for him to pick up the Harry Sunderland award last night were too good to pass up

Cuthbertson's father was born in Warrington and IMO that puts him as being eligible for England selection,You clearly didn't know this by mentioning his mothers cat's birthplace did you?



Or are you just stupid?

Yes i did know that but he is about as English as Inglis. If a dog was born in a stable you wouldn't call it a horse would you. He was born and raised in Oz, sees himself as an Aussie and will go back over there when he has finished at Leeds.



Good player - Yes.

English - No

Do England really need him anyway - Probably not

If you previously knew Where his father was born then why did you fail to mention it and preferred to mention the mothers cat's birthplace?

How do you know that he will go back to Oz?

How do you know he sees himself as an Aussie?

All those saying Tomkins has been crap in the NRL, have you actually watched him? Because he really hasn't. He's been injured for a lot of this season so there's not much to take from it but in 2014 he was certainly good enough. The NZW fans loved him and believed they were a much better side with him in it.



I don't really see why it has to be either or with Tomkins/Hardaker, the aussies don't have all these crying and moaning over Slater and Inglis. They can both be accommodated and both deserve to. If Tomkins plays Fullback and Hardaker is in the centres then so what? tbh I'd wager that some of the Leeds players might like a rest after this season.



The fact of the matter is Tomkins has proven himself to be class, whilst his defence is not as good as Hardaker's his attack is better in every way (actually maybe not his pace anymore but we'll see) and one dodgy season, due to injury, in a struggling side in the top competition doesn't mean he's overrated and a player.



The aussies have certain lynchpins in their team who are selected every year even though other players may have had better form during the season, Tomkins is one of those for England as is Hall, Roby, Graham, O'Loughlin, Westwood.

Not sure what's gone on with Cuthbertson tbh. He's certainly more English than Rangi Chase ever was. Other England national teams don't seem to have these qualms with the 'integrity of the national side', look at the England cricket team!



It's annoying when players come about with really tenuous links because they can't get in the side for the country they were actually born in, but I'd say one of your parents being English is certainly enough!

England would definitely be better off with him in the side, yes in the NRL he wasn't good enough to get selected for Australia but he looks like an entirely different player and there's some very logical reasons to explain that other than, SL is an 'easier competition'.

Although in principle I agree with you, Hardaker is not a good centre !! His qualities (great kick returns, safety under the high ball and brilliant last line of defence are not things that can be best shown in the centres - he can't pass too good either).

Much better to play Hardaker at FB and have Tomkins in the halves IMO (alongside Williams).



However, best of all I'd rather Hardaker, Watkins and Hall not be selected: they need a good close season rest rather than play in these meaningless matches. Ditto glad Cuthbertson got 'overlooked'