Whatever the majority of fans on here think about Kirke the last 3 coaches have selected him on a regular basis. They must have been happy with what he brings to the side despite the stats displayed on here every week. If it was just McDermott showing faith in him it would be more of a concern, but TS regarded by many as one of our greatest ever coaches, also kept him in the team.

i believe he is giving them sexual pleasure for team selection

Ian Kirke was a different player up to the start of 2010. That his when his pathetic laziness first came to my attention.

If we're bagging players for laziness, there's going to be a heck of a lot of new threads need starting...

Quote G1="G1"Ian Kirke was a different player up to the start of 2010. That his when his pathetic laziness first came to my attention.'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... on=2011Iam not sure the stats back that up. I tried to do a comparision from 2007 to 2011 if it has worked.

Quote G1="G1"Ian Kirke was a different player up to the start of 2010. That his when his pathetic laziness first came to my attention.'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... on=2011Iam not sure the stats back that up. I tried to do a comparision from 2007 to 2011 if it has worked.

Is there?



Is there going to be another Leeds forward who regularly makes so few carries a game?



A quick glance at this year's stats, roudning up to a full carry showis us the following per carry average per game from Leeds forwards whether they be forwards still on the books, loaned out or binned off.



Player Average Carry per game (rounded up)



Kirke 8

Bailey 12

Peacock 19

Kylie 12

Amor 14

Ambler 11

Cross 9

Burgess 15



Lets cheucked in the young Singleton kid in his one short cameo as well shall we? He made 9 carries.

They may not, but in 2007 he was playing 2nd row from the bench. In 2011 he's playing front row.



Maybe he's always been so lazy and it was not as noticeable when he was being carried in a dominant team. Still hardly backs up a contract extension. He averaged 6 carries a game back in 2007 btw.

I have know idea about the second sentence in this post but I would argue that the first one is wrong





It's easier to go under the radar as part of a winning, dominant pack

What's the point of Ian Kirke? !! He is such a lucky lucky boy! Perhaps I'll get signed up next..I'm a clapped out old pensioner with joint replacements, overweight and crippled with arthritis but one thing I am not is a lazy lump! If he makes more that a metre when he carries the ball or hits the opposition before his knees hit the deck it is a bonus! I'm with Tad...I shall be saving my money next year I think!

He appears to have offered very little. 5 carries and 5 tackles in a game? Seriously?



Not impressed. Ian Kirke can be an effective rugby player if he so chooses, which makes it all the more frustrating that he seems to choose not to be more often than not.



He has been pretty consistent though, to be fair....

8 a game is the same as Chris Clarkson.



Is he also a lazy sod, or do we not count him for some obscure reason known only to your agendas?



What about the lazy sods going through the motions in the backs - or are we only highlighting props for a reason?

I'm not sure most of you lot understand the nuances of salary capped sports teams. Basically for everyone other than Saints, Wigan and Bulls it means you can't spend over £x.



Kirke has and always will be a squad player. If he is on anything other than squad playing money you might have a legit gripe, but a modicum of common sense would suggest otherwise.



The serial underperformers on the biggest deals should be cut or signed on deals reflecting performances. 3/4 line needs retooling asap and the halves at least need looking at and questions asked.