4th it is then.

5th is still possible.



Phew!

So 4th and a trip to hudds then? I guess everyone got what they wanted.

Injured players? So now your talking about long term out and not full training? And I get accused of fog knitting

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The point was/is, does missing a match in a planned manner (rotation) effect the stamina of players? Just stick to that, that is what I responded to, that is what is stupid to believe it does. It's not difficult.

Err, you brought up the injured players, citing them in an argument about missing matches.



I already agreed that I didn't think rotation of a squad would affect stamina in the way that was described. What I took issue with was your usual presentation of your opinion (which is actually fairly similar to mine on that issue) as "fact" and other opinions as "stupid" when there was some rational basis for the other opinion and a lot of your logic for dismissing it was actually, in my opinion, flawed.



You've also assumed here that "rotation" means "missing a game" which wasn't actually specified in the post you took issue with. It could potentially mean missin more matches than that couldn't it?

So you agree with me then.



I think you jumped in the first place because somehow you were reading it some other way.



Thank you for confirming though you also don't agree that rotation effects stamina. It was a simple statement from Fetlar in the first place, and a simple answer back from me which I stick to. Posters like Richie just get in loved for the sake of doing so, nothing more.



For the avoidance of doubt, let us remind ourselves again as it is on page 2. Fetlar said, squad rotation reduces stamina. I responded don't be stupid their athletes.

I give up.

Squad rotation, inter alia, can affect(*) stamina in both ways, done right it can improve it, done badly it could possibly reduce it.

It's a question of the balance between exercise and rest, just as when training for a running event.



e.g. When a player has been out injured (say with their shoulder or somesuch) but still gets the right kind of exercise, when they come back they will be refreshed but not fully match fit ... a couple of games later they are match fit AND often fresher than their mates.

If they had done no exercise at all for that month or two, their stamina would be way below par.



That the players are athletes is a given, but that fact was unnecessary to the argument and proves nothing either way.



(*) Not effect, different word.

Incorrect, it was very necessary and entirely important to the discussion.



The fact they are athletes, is that they are looked after by professional conditioning teams, which ensures there fitness and stamina at all times.



Compare and contrast to El Diablo comment about his running. He is not an athlete, at least I dont' think so, so he doesn't get access to that professional back up. Therefore not the same scenario.

Both Joel Moon and Mitch Achurch talked about match fitness and needing to get back to it just on Wednesday. They seemed to think they would only get there by playing.

1. I have a coach, paid by my club. I'm not a professional. He is though. But yes, they will get a much higher level of conditioning and coaching. It depends how you define athlete though.



2. Human physiology is what it is. It's fundamentals are not altered by coaching. Like you, and like them, a few weeks off might not overly harm the base fitness, but when you get to the intensity of a competitive environment, we'll all still be blowing out of our a**es first time back. You just can't replicate that in training. It's what match fitness is. Athlete or no athlete.



3. Your point about their coaching doesn't stand if the rest period you're talking about is part of that coaching. All coaches and coaching teams and conditioners are not created equal. And they get it wrong sometimes. Because they're human.





I still agree with you that "resting players reduces stamina" is too simple to be true. However, I certainly think (or know, actually) it's possible to over-rest, so it isn't a stupid idea. I just don't believe that's what Wire have done. And I don't think the simple fact that "they're athletes" has any real bearing on it. Especially when you keep in mind that their competition are also professional athletes, so the base level they're working to is a lot higher than you or I.



I also don't think calling people "fooking stupid" when you don't agree with them is particularly productive and tends to make you look more ignorant than anything else.