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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Because Eastmond had the shirt for the last competitive game after McGuire got dropped and McGuire only got called up to the last squad after Eastmond got injured?
McGuire is having a good year, but Eastmond will be England 7 for years to come (if we can keep him away from union).'"
Shouldn't form count for something, though?
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| Quote Neruda="Neruda"Shouldn't form count for something, though?'"
Eastmond was in very good form until his injury - hence why he was in the England squad and McGuire wasn't.
FWIW I'd have both in my team:
S Tomkins
R Atkins
M Shenton
C Bridge
R Hall
D McGuire
K Eastmond
J Graham
K Sinfield
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S Burgess
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| I'd pick on form personally and Eastmond has been too injury probe in his first full season to show any on a consistent basis. Both Eastmond and Myler have had up and down seasons this year whereas McGuire and Tomkins have shone.
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Eastmond was in very good form until his injury - hence why he was in the England squad and McGuire wasn't.
FWIW I'd have both in my team:
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R Atkins
M Shenton
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D McGuire
K Eastmond
J Graham
K Sinfield
A Morley
S Burgess
G Ellis
S O'Loughlin
J Roby
E Crabtree
A Lynch
J Tomkins'"
i hope eastmond can get back to form between now and the end of the season then
i would pick pretty much the same team as you
except for maybe Atkins on the wing, because I've never seen him play there so not sure how he'd go?
no idea who id pick on the wing instead though
and i would personally like to see Ben Harrison play at loose forward, but then I've not really seen enough of O'Loughlin to say if he should play tbh
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| kieth senior for me is still the best in SL and could well be the key to leeds winning the challenge cup
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| McGuire was not drafted in to the last squad for a Injured Eastmond the squad was announced before Eastmond got Injured.McGuire then got Injured and was replaced by Brown.
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| Quote Man of steel 07="Man of steel 07"McGuire was not drafted in to the last squad for a Injured Eastmond the squad was announced before Eastmond got Injured.'"
You are right - the article I read referred to McGuire replacing Eastmond, I suppose it meant at 7 rather than in the squad. Apols.
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| Quote G1="G1"I'd pick on form personally and Eastmond has been too injury prone in his first full season to show any on a consistent basis'" .
I think that's a bit unfair - it's one ankle injury rather than him being injury prone. He played every game until that injury and was impressive.
I would agree, though, that if he doesn't find any form before the end of the year he'll be behind McGuire in the pecking order. He looked pretty dangerous at the weekend and scored a good try, albeit against a dreadful Bulls team.
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee".
I think that's a bit unfair - it's one ankle injury rather than him being injury prone. He played every game until that injury and was impressive.
I would agree, though, that if he doesn't find any form before the end of the year he'll be behind McGuire in the pecking order. He looked pretty dangerous at the weekend and scored a good try, albeit against a dreadful Bulls team.'"
After seeing him hobbling round at the Galpharm on semi-final day i was surprised he got back so quick.
FWIW i think both have to be in the squad and then it's down to mcbanana<shudders>.
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| Quote G1="G1"I'd pick on form personally and Eastmond has been too injury probe in his first full season to show any on a consistent basis. Both Eastmond and Myler have had up and down seasons this year whereas McGuire and Tomkins have shone.'"
Selection on the basis of form should always be the way forward.
But should that selection be based upon international form or Super League form?
If it's based upon international form, then McGuire does not warrant international selection.
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| Quote Keith Swiftcorn="Keith Swiftcorn"Selection on the basis of form should always be the way forward.
But should that selection be based upon international form or Super League form?
If it's based upon international form, then McGuire does not warrant international selection.'"
Would you pick a team based upon how a player played in three or four games 12 months ago?
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| Quote G1="G1"Would you pick a team based upon how a player played in three or four games 12 months ago?'"
Saints fans used to apply the same blinkered club criteria when supporting and defending the selection of Sean Long as first choice halfback for GB, despite his overwhelming number of poor performances in international games over an extensive period of time. They'd point to his club form in Super League for St Helens, which is what you are now doing with McGuire who has performed overwhelmingly poorly for England in the RLWC08 and Four Nations 09.
If Australia applied NRL form guides as the sole criteria for selecting their teams, the likes of Lockyer, Fittler, Civoniceva and countless other Kangaroo players past and present wouldn't have chalked up half as many international appearances as they did. However, they are - and were - continuously selected on the basis of their international form and ability to step up several gears in rep games on a consistent basis.
Eastmond (if fit) and Tomkins have earned their opportunity as current first choice incumbents by performing better than McGuire in rep games in recent times.
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