As i said a good while back when people was bigging him up to be another gonna be superstar that he just ain't good enough.



Hes a typical saints young forward that we bring thru, he's ok in defence but offers nothing with the ball.

He may not be a worldbeater, but at 21 its too young IMO to make a proper judgement re a forward.

I think you need to give promising fringe players till they are 23 to see if they are likely to make that extra step up.



Certainly we appear to have let Emmitt and Paul Johnson go in error. Both have done sterling jobs in the sides they are currently in.



Joel Tomkins at Wigan is an example of a player who only really started to blossom when he was around 21 years old.

Joel Tomkins is rubbish. He wouldn't be at Wigan if his rat brother wasn't.



But I agree on Ashurst. He's not amazing at the moment but we badly need depth.

Reasonable post from SaintsFan, I think if you look at players in the past that have not set the first team on fire in their first 40 games they have been sent out on lone to get some game time and then be reassessed. I think this is what Matty and Andrew Dixon need.



They have both suffered this year due to a lack of game time. I would much rather they get 20+ games next year for Salford/Wakefield/Quins/Widnes and have guys like Scott Hale and Carl Forster as the 18th man next year. Shaun Maggenis on the other hand I am pretty sure he will play most of the time next year so he does not need to go out on loan.



A year or two away building up experience did Scott Moore a lot of good and I am sure it is what these two boys need.

'Joel Tomkins is rubbish'



Yet another bad opinion of yours mate

You could always request a ban through your embassy at uncle joes???

We can't afford to keep all of our promising young forwards up to the age of 23, so we have to keep the most promising and let the less promising go. Tomkins had flaws in his game at 21, and still does, but was always going to be in a different league to Ashurst/Dixon.



Regarding Emmit and Johnson, we should take the fact that young players we've released are doing a decent job in SL as an indication of how improved our youth setup is. We can't keep all of them.

I said from day one, we should have kept emmit.

Ashurst - Needs work, but will be a good(ish) player imo.

Has a good athletic frame that will lend its self to adding wood.



I thought he looked really good at the end of last season before he picked up an injury. He hasn't maganed to regain that form, but I think he's got a bit in him.

He looks to be an intelligent player to me, runs good lines, positions himself well, he just doesn't have the bulk to make half breaks full breaks. If/when he adds that he'll be a good player with the added experience.

Someone mentioned Forster at 18th man. He seems to be very affective for the underwhatevers since his return from injury, I'm suprised we haven't sen him yet, especially given how we've suffered at prop.

We should have kept Johnson, not Emmit.