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We have a decent run in now so we need a plan in hand on how to approach these types of games. Do we go hell for leather & with a settled side or rest a few each week and play at optimum efficiency, but target certain games to play at 110%?
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Ok I did not see the match.
It may have been drab. These affairs usually are. However when you look at the scoreline. It falls into what you would expect.
I predicted 50 -12.
Given that Leeds beat them 54 - 6
Wigan beat them 36 - 14
Our team was running somewhere between the strength of those two teams in terms of players.
The last time I saw Saints put a weaker team to the sword was Wigan. Once a good team gets ahead. They stop playing up the middle and start throwing the ball wide thinking it will be a try every set.
There is little you can take out of a game like this, but all sport has these uneven contests. But in a sport like RL once that intensity drops it's very difficult to get it back up. Saints were never going to lose and once that was clear, all teams and players switch off and start thinking about something else.
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Highlight of the night was the messing about in the warm up. Other than a touch of frostbite and hypothermia a night to forget.
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| Quote roader="roader"Highlight of the night was the messing about in the warm up. Other than a touch of frostbite and hypothermia a night to forget.'"
It was cold tonight. I got in my car and it said 9 Degrees. Hahah I don't think so! |
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| Quote LFC Saint="LFC Saint"That Brown wont last the season at Saints. Dreadful rugby at the minute and you can tell Eamonn is not happy. I left 30 mins early as it was painful .
No strike players whatsoever.'"
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www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/4003?
What's concerning is "we need our fair share of luck" - what coach works on needing luck???
Also, what's "a growing team"? (From other post match reports)
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What's concerning is "we need our fair share of luck" - what coach works on needing luck???
Also, what's "a growing team"? (From other post match reports)
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The statement on the club website and in the MEN is a clear dig at Nathan Brown.
The capitalisation of the second 'THAT' is a very obvious criticism of something Brown has done or not done that has annoyed McManus.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"The statement on the club website and in the MEN is a clear dig at Nathan Brown.
The capitalisation of the second 'THAT' is a very obvious criticism of something Brown has done or not done that has annoyed McManus.'"
You mean:
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I never offer a view or opinion at that time as emotions are often running too high, or too low. And more importantly, I totally believe that THAT must be the job and the domain of the coach whose authority must be absolute at all times over players.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"The statement on the club website and in the MEN is a clear dig at Nathan Brown.
The capitalisation of the second 'THAT' is a very obvious criticism of something Brown has done or not done that has annoyed McManus.'"
Have you (or anyone else) got a link for this please mate? I have no idea what's been said... |
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Found it. My head's not firing on all cylinders tonight. |
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Quote Twentyman="Twentyman"Have you (or anyone else) got a link for this please mate? I have no idea what's been said...'"
www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/4002?
SAINTS Chairman, Eamonn McManus, wrote in the Manchester Evening News today:
I must admit that the recent defeats by Wigan and Leeds were as upsetting to me personally as anything I've experienced in the fourteen years of my very proud chairmanship of the Saints.
It was the manner and timing of our defeats that hurt so much. We just seemed to be out-enthused as much as outplayed. Prior to that we had played so well and fought hard in nine consecutive victories since the season started. But the Wigan and Leeds games were of much greater importance being against our bitter rivals and required our game to be raised further. We didn't do that which is why it is so difficult to deal with - but deal with it we absolutely must!
Although I am a lifelong Saints fan and rugby league nut, which is the only reason I'm involved in the sport, it is always essential that I carry out my role as Chairman in a dignified and professional manner. I am always conscious that I am a senior standard bearer of my club, my sport and my town. After very game I visit the dressing room briefly to shake the hand of every player in congratulation or in commiseration and likewise with the coaching staff. I never offer a view or opinion at that time as emotions are often running too high, or too low. And more importantly, I totally believe that THAT must be the job and the domain of the coach whose authority must be absolute at all times over players.
So, what I do is wait for a couple of days and then meet up over a coffee with our coach Nathan Brown and our CEO Mike Rush to have a clear- headed debrief in the cold light of day and to plan ahead. Although I must admit that this time my head is still not quite clear!
We now have a fabulous and plush new stadium at St. Helens as well as world class training facilities - a far cry from the very basic environment of Knowsley Road which produced generations of warrior athletes who have gone down in rugby league history. It was said of the British navy at the end of the Nineteenth century that iron men in wooden boats were replaced by wooden men in iron boats. It's my job to ensure that this doesn't now happen to us after the move from Knowsley Road to Langtree Park.
As disappointing as this very short period has been, I firmly believe we have the talent and the will to win the main prize of Super League - the Grand Final. We have to grind our way through the next five months and then raise our game to the required heights in the play offs. It is all about mindset and timing. The key to success now is that we learn all we can from these recent defeats and ensure that, when it really counts, we perform better and at a higher level.
A win against London Broncos tonight would be the first small step in that process and I'm sure that our fans will continue to get behind us in the brilliant way that they have all this season.
There was apparently more in the match day programme - along the lines of were being nice people playing nice rugby, when we should be ruthless winners |
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www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/4002?
SAINTS Chairman, Eamonn McManus, wrote in the Manchester Evening News today:
I must admit that the recent defeats by Wigan and Leeds were as upsetting to me personally as anything I've experienced in the fourteen years of my very proud chairmanship of the Saints.
It was the manner and timing of our defeats that hurt so much. We just seemed to be out-enthused as much as outplayed. Prior to that we had played so well and fought hard in nine consecutive victories since the season started. But the Wigan and Leeds games were of much greater importance being against our bitter rivals and required our game to be raised further. We didn't do that which is why it is so difficult to deal with - but deal with it we absolutely must!
Although I am a lifelong Saints fan and rugby league nut, which is the only reason I'm involved in the sport, it is always essential that I carry out my role as Chairman in a dignified and professional manner. I am always conscious that I am a senior standard bearer of my club, my sport and my town. After very game I visit the dressing room briefly to shake the hand of every player in congratulation or in commiseration and likewise with the coaching staff. I never offer a view or opinion at that time as emotions are often running too high, or too low. And more importantly, I totally believe that THAT must be the job and the domain of the coach whose authority must be absolute at all times over players.
So, what I do is wait for a couple of days and then meet up over a coffee with our coach Nathan Brown and our CEO Mike Rush to have a clear- headed debrief in the cold light of day and to plan ahead. Although I must admit that this time my head is still not quite clear!
We now have a fabulous and plush new stadium at St. Helens as well as world class training facilities - a far cry from the very basic environment of Knowsley Road which produced generations of warrior athletes who have gone down in rugby league history. It was said of the British navy at the end of the Nineteenth century that iron men in wooden boats were replaced by wooden men in iron boats. It's my job to ensure that this doesn't now happen to us after the move from Knowsley Road to Langtree Park.
As disappointing as this very short period has been, I firmly believe we have the talent and the will to win the main prize of Super League - the Grand Final. We have to grind our way through the next five months and then raise our game to the required heights in the play offs. It is all about mindset and timing. The key to success now is that we learn all we can from these recent defeats and ensure that, when it really counts, we perform better and at a higher level.
A win against London Broncos tonight would be the first small step in that process and I'm sure that our fans will continue to get behind us in the brilliant way that they have all this season.
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"You mean:
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I admit, there's a number of options for whom the intended target for that statement is, but not one of them is brown :s unless you think brown is trying to avoid that part of his job?'"
I do.
"And more importantly, I totally believe that THAT must be the job and the domain of the coach whose authority must be absolute at all times over players."
Why else would it be capitalised? Capitalising it makes no sense at all if it's not in the context of the job of the coach. Although it's not possible to identify what exactly has gone on, it's clear McManus isn't happy with Brown. The way I read it Brown has either done something McManus doesn't see as his job and he's telling him to pack it in and start motivating the players or something he's not done, for example having sufficient authority in the post game moments and letting the players know what is expected.
If it was meant for someone else in the backroom, Cunningham for example, or a player he would capitalise COACH. Capitalising the THAT ties it specifically to the coach's undertaking of their role.
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