We certainly don't need 9 players but I do think we need a good attacking centre that has ability to beat a man and a classy clever attacking halfback ike rangi chase.



We don't have the goto players in the backs.

You also said a fullback that makes 9

Thats talking as it stands today 07/08/2011 which is why i also said after in brackets "(need to see how Hohaia goes) which means see how well he does first before saying you need a fullback".

Ahh I get you!

I'm not to sure what we need. I want to know what Royce is going to next season and whether we are going to sign anyone else.



At the moment I'd say we need to replace Wellens, but that may be with Hohaia next season, despite Royce saying he'll be 7. I can't see it happening though. We need a centre better than Meli, but who could we actually sign at the moment? The only thing we could do is wish for Wheeler to come back and work wonders for us, but when is he actually back? I think our wingers are fine and just need time to play and fill out more. We won't know if we need another prop until we play without Graham. We have Laffranchi coming in but next season we should see Carl Forster and maybe Jordan Hand. In regards to needing another 2nd rower like Gilmour, I feel we have enough second rowers, why sign another. It just adds up on the cap for more players that will get less time. The loose forward is fine I feel. Royce has played with Puletua and Wilkin at loose this year. We don't know if he will go for a ball handling loose or a prop type loose.

Fair point but JD could play anywhere from 1-7 he was that good. He played in a widnes backline with players who had the x factor too unlike our back line. Let compare ours to the one in which Davies played in.



1- A Tait v P Wellens

2- A Currier v T Makinson

3- J Davies v M Shenton

4- D Wright v F Meli

5- M Offiah v J Foster

6- T Myler v L Pryce

7- D Hulme v J Lomax



I'm not saying that our backs are rubbish but we do lack that little bit of class which could be rectified as follows IMHO



1- Lomax

2- broughton ( or another winger who can beat a man on the ouside)

3- shenton ( having a new winger might see more ball to show class)

4- meli

5- foster (proven combo with meli now 2 flanks that offer a threat)

6- pryce

7- hohoia



Back now have pace strength and skill with pryce as conductor. Teams would be far more worried by that backline. Also have makinson wheeler and Gaskell fighting for a space on bench as wello would be my bench back to start with for his experience / defense in tight games.





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Gary wheeler is back in full training and is available for selection this week.

i went watching the 20s yesterday before the wigan game and wheeler look a couple of weeks off the first team looked very slow playing in the centres the in the halfs second half

Like I said, he's back in full training and available for selection. It's up to Royce if he thinks wheeler is fit enough or not.

i cant see wheeler being in the 19 man squad when it comes out on wednesday we are already playing with too many half fit players who need a op come the end of the season

Lomax isn't a full back, plain and simple. What is the point of wasting his step by shoving him to the back of the field and bringing him in on the 3rd tackle to get mullered by O'Loughlin etc after he has made 10m. He isn't a Tomkins type of player, he is most dangerous with ball in hand attacking players at the line.



We can't make a Sam Tomkins player, the way we play doesnt have that element to it. The three quarters we have now are fine, Meli has been in great form (for him) Makinson is giving 110% every week for a 19/20/21 year old lad playing aginst guys often a lot more developed than him, Shents is getting there but i feel an injury he had at cas might still be with him and why are people getting on Foster's back? He is another Ade but with a phenomenal goal kicking game and probably a little more pace. People on here would still complain about the lack of pace if we had Usain Bolt on the wing.



I agree we are without a game changer but again you dont build Sculthorpe's/Long's etc you have to be patient and see what comes of it. Leon was clearly unfit yesterday, he had a great first half but you can understand why Royce left him on, in 1 second Leon can change a game but unfortunately he didnt. With Leon's (IMO) impending departure Hohaia will play at 6, without doubt. Lomax will carry on at 7 and Makinson should go to full back when Ade comes back fit and ready.



I love you Wello so think about your place at Saints and what you can bring to the team. I agree that we were flat yesterday i think at one point Lomax passed the ball to a standing still James Graham so its not all clicking yet but play Leon against Hudds then dont even take him to Hull the week after and dot he same with Eastmond and Wellens



We used the same move to score both tries and like many have said Shents should have been given the ball more but we were beaten by the better team on defence and they were much much more clinical. I don't think we are too far away but i wouldn't fancy us to beat Warrington or Wigan. They will be at the Grand Final for sure IMO.



Still i was very proud of the lads yesterday, 100% effort on the field and the terraces.

IMO the backs ain't fine, they ain't good enough and we wont win anything with these current backs.



I'm not saying they are rubbish but for us to stay a top 3 side in the next few years and have a chance of winning something we need a centre and a halfback and most prob a prop.



I think the difference on Saturday was, they only needed few chances and they took them, we was camped out on wigans line for 30 mins in the first half and didn't look like scoring.



Meli is doing ok but he's not a centre and is just relying on his strength, the is nothing skillfull about him and he's no chance of creating anything unless he's in their 20 meter. He lacks pace and can be a liability in defense.