We need TP and Manu back as well. Those three will give us more options in attack.

I'm pretty sure Brown's got a lot of positives in his coaching skills, but he' s plainly a bit weird.

Sadly I agree. I just don't see what Wellens brings to us anymore. It's purely sentimental to keep him in and if he gets a new contract I'll be extremely disappointed and amazed quite frankly.



Sounds like discipline was a problem and a lack of spark with the ball, maybe people who went can confirm this? Add in a determined Hull KR after last week with good players coming back for them and the result isn't really a surprise. We're missing key players and its hard for us at the moment. Lomax, Puletua, Roby and Manu are big losses to replace.

Do you not think that today he was kept at 6 only because Lance wasn't up to playing 80mins first game back? (I'm hoping that was why)



Squad for Friday will be interesting, if we do have Lomax back at 1 with Swift moving into 6 today maybe that is an option that Brown is considering with Gardner/Makinson back on the wing.



Hull Kr were always going to bounce back after their "week off", but our discipline appears to have killed us and totally negated what sounded like a positive tackling display

Those are big players to have missing. Lomax was are main attacking threat before he got injured. TP when on his game is devastating down the middle and can bust tackles. Roby is just roby, world class. I know Manu hasn't set the world on fire but he's still a big danger with the ball, he's not busting tackles like he was at hull but he attracts 2/3 defenders and gets some good offloads (some poor ones as well tho).

I knew wello was playing 6 from Wednesday when he was told. Brown is trying to stick with a partnership as we've chopped and changed so many times this year.



The fact Howarth has been brought in suggests that Brown will play lance or wello at 6.

From what I heard the discipline was terrible. That has nothing whatsoever to do with injuries. There is no excuse for giving away three penalties on your own line, on more than one occasion. Poor attitude by Saints.

Your were poor today, but your fans were a credit to you. Sure you'll be ok when you get a few players back.

Unlucky result today. New Craven Park is always a difficult ground to get a win from.

Matty you little tinker!

Cheers for that! Shame it is less than exciting and sounding more sentimental.



Whatever happened with Gaskell is a shame for all parties and with Wheelers injury had left us impossibly short of half backs so I can understand the calls for consistency as it breeds understanding throughout the team.



However I do share the complete lack of enthusiasm for Wellens at 6 (even in the 17 if I am honest) I would rather we tried with Wilkin & Swift/Charnock and stuck with it that for a minimum 6-8 games, surely that would be better than what in essence only ever a short term option, we are always going to be one paced and easy to read in attack if we are being directed by a forward and the worlds slowest back.

What is our record at Craven Park since KR came up? I only ever remember us getting beaten there in the last few years.