|
 |
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 2931 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Mar 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Rob Wire="Rob Wire"I couldn't agree more abour Shenton, he was very lazy for the first Wigan try. I would have expected more urgency from him with it being a semi, if you can bare it then watch it again, he just casualy ambles across and doesn't put in any effort at all to close them down. With ball in hand he's a good player but he's not what you would call an X factor back, thats the problem with your backline is it doesn't have much X factor in the three quarters like it used to have down the years.
If you comapre this current backline to what saints have had in the past then its very average at best, Wellens and Meli are past their best, Shenton is average, Foster is ok but he's far from the finished article.
I'd say you need a new fullback (need to see how Hohaia goes), 2 better centres and at least one very dangerous winger (Broughton or Tom Briscoe maybe), a new scrum half, another prop to replace Graham, a classy back rower with pace in the Lee Gilmour mould, a better impact hooker or starting hooker and use Roby as the impact after 15 - 20 mins) and a classy loose forward, down the years you have had some very classy 13's.'"
Matty Blythe? John Clarke?
Pot Kettle Black.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1331 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2021 | May 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Don't worry !! Leon Pryce will look world class on Friday night when we (Hudds defence) stand and admire him running through a huge gap to score, i have lost track the number of times in recent years I have seen him score off the same play at knowsley road...... huddersfield have a 'thing' about playing saints away and despite our home win I will be surprised if it doesn't continue Friday but I live in hope... i watched all 38 years of leeds games until this season and was at Knowsley road when we last won..... I live in hope.... just don't bring Kieron Cunningham out of retirement for Friday or I may stay at home.....
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 2931 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Mar 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote St pete="St pete"IMO the backs ain't fine, they ain't good enough and we wont win anything with these current backs.
I'm not saying they are rubbish but for us to stay a top 3 side in the next few years and have a chance of winning something we need a centre and a halfback and most prob a prop.
I think the difference on Saturday was, they only needed few chances and they took them, we was camped out on wigans line for 30 mins in the first half and didn't look like scoring.
Meli is doing ok but he's not a centre and is just relying on his strength, the is nothing skillfull about him and he's no chance of creating anything unless he's in their 20 meter. He lacks pace and can be a liability in defense.'"
I was in the east stand just yards from where we scored our tries and if you don't think he was skillful in his part in them there is no hope to change your opinion on him.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16170 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2016 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"I was in the east stand just yards from where we scored our tries and if you don't think he was skillful in his part in them there is no hope to change your opinion on him.'"
He can be extremely good at drawing in defenders and releasing the ball with just enough space and just the right timing to release Jamie the sparrow down the left hand side. When those two click near the line they are terrific. It's just such a pity it took until the last 15 minutes for them to click. We could have run riot down that edge with more composure.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16963 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2017 | Oct 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"I was in the east stand just yards from where we scored our tries and if you don't think he was skillful in his part in them there is no hope to change your opinion on him.'"
Yes and I've seen his awful throw it anywhere passes which are totally embarrassing.
Unless we get in there 20 meter, Meli is not useful at all. He will never be a player to score long range try. He's a good finisher and has done ok but he's never a real centre.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 14135 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2019 | Apr 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| On my goodness.
Quote The Chair Maker="The Chair Maker"Lets look at our 3qtrs then
Shenton England international centre - =#FF0000in the absence of anyone any good. He's OK but he's not good enough and is not international standard.
Meli former NZ winger, and NRL winger of the year, and also current exiles winger. =#FF0000FORMER is the operative word. Past it though to be fair he shows occasional flashes of brilliance. His cockups let him down, though.
Foster emerging England Winger - =#FF0000says who? He's OK, he can kick a ball and is quick. What else does he offer?
Makinson England academy captain. - =#FF0000You know as well as I do that there is one hell of a gulf between academy and Super League. He's a long way to go yet.
Gardner England and GB international Wing - =#FF0000and was badly shown up as both. Gardner has never, EVER done anything other than fall over try lines unopposed. I've NEVER seen him beat a man, and he was playing outside of Matt Gidley. I'd score tries outside of Matt Gidley.
No pace or ability in that line up.
'"
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 8991 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2009 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2025 | Jun 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| So Shenton is not good enough, basically translates to there is no England centre good enough for Saints.
Meli is not good enough basically translates to there is not a SL centre outside of Carmont from Wigan good enough for Saints.
Foster has no pace, and can't beat a man, yet when he got his hatrick against Catalan's he seamed to beat a few of them for pace.
Makinson well the jury is out, but it is his first year.
Wellens, well there is much agreement on that.
So what is being said is that our 4 players on the wing and centre, must be brought in from NRL, with the exception of Carmont.
Are we living in cloud cookoo land. You can only have 5 overseas under normal rules anymore.
It's just not going to happen, the days of busting the salary cap and packing your squad with kolpak NRL players are gone. If you want to replace any of the above 4 it needs to be done within Saints or other SL clubs.
So unless we are suggesting that the Saints board can buy the wigan backs, this is all completely pointless. Meli has one more year at that point depending on whether some others like Soliola stays we may get a chance to get an NRL centre, but it will not be a top player, it will be someone on a pension or someone struggling to get in. The NRL already beats us hands down money wise and this gap will only increase. We have to make our own or buy from other clubs.
Anyone got any credible suggestions better than what we already have???
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14094 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Ron="Ron"Foster is rubbish, if he didn't kick, I doubt he would be a SL player.'"
So rubbish he's scored three tries less than the top try scorer this year. That's playing outside a player who is apparently never a centre this year.
Yes, he's incredibly rubbish.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14094 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2019 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Robonson="Robonson"Foster emerging England Winger - says who? He's OK, he can kick a ball and is quick. What else does he offer?'"
Tries.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2204 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2012 | Nov 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote saint at wire="saint at wire"Matty Blythe? John Clarke?
Pot Kettle Black.'"
Whats Matty Blythe or Jon Clarke got to do with anything ?
Lets make a comparison.
1. Michael Shenton a big signing from Cas who who will be on a very good contract and will be one of your top earners, Matty Blythe is basically a kid thats just starting out his career at this level and won't be on much money at all, he's not even a first choice player for us, a squad player thats been on dual reg at Leigh. Hmmmmmm
2. Jon Clarke, a player thats now in the last stages of his career compared to Scott Moore whose only 23. Clarke again is just a squad player so i'm not sure what your point us with any of the above 2.
We had to play Matty Blythe against Wigan because of the injuries to Harrison and Briers, Bridge went to 6 which means Blythe had to come in at right centre to cover for Bridge. He was obviously out of his depth at that level in a game of such importance, what was Shenton's excuse given that he was touted as being one of the best english centres in recent times who has also played for England ? Shenton looked out of his depth against Wigan which would be a worry given he is supposed to be one of (if not) the best english centres in the game. I'd take Chris Bridge all day long ahead of Shenton at right centre, just a pitty we couldn't play him at right centre against Wigan due to injuries.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 3448 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Sep 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Billinge_Lump="Billinge_Lump"So rubbish he's scored three tries less than the top try scorer this year. That's playing outside a player who is apparently never a centre this year.
Yes, he's incredibly rubbish.'"
Wingers' try records are deceptive.
Put bluntly, me and you could have scored both of Foster's tries on Saturday. He had a total of about 4 yards to run.
We'd have been useless at just about everything else mind...
Darrell Goulding was the 2nd highest try scorer last year - he's not even close to being the 2nd best winger.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 392 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2011 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2014 | Aug 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I think it would be stupid not to play Lance at FB next year...lets be honest when you play in a position for so long like he has, you would be stupid to move him to HB unless it was a one off injury crisis...but they never happen at saints 
|
|
|
 |
|