Not deflecting owt, it appears the bulls are the only team that does everything by the book an have never told a lie since the beginning of their existence.



What annoys me is your club/players are always blameless which is laughable, a poster blames Whitehead when clearly Bateman put it on twitter first to bring it to everyone's attention.



Koppy walked out of a club obviously unable to pay its players and honour their contracts anymore, IMO the Bulls should not have a leg to stand on, the club that he was employed by died along with debts from what I'm led to beleive.



If I am wrong on that please correct me an confirm that not one person was out of pocket from the club folding and restarting (you don't need to include fans of other clubs or the clubs themselves that helped you out with handouts).



If I am correct then I feel that Huddersfield Giants should not a payed you a penny for Kopczak and the £20k should have gone towards monies owed as Kopczak was an asset of the old club.



Can't see how the new club should be allowed to cream off all the profits but wring its hands of the debts or am I missing something?

Tbf I agree with some of what you're saying, but that still doesn't address the issue that both Kopzcak and Hudds lied to the RFL? Even if you don't believe we should be entitled to anything, do you not agree that the RFL should investigate this, with Thewlis and Kopzcak bringing the game into disrepute?

I understand that it may be a while before you calm yourself down enough to post, and maybe your keyboard will need to be dried out of spittle, but have you ever considered anger management classes?

There are so many things wrong with what you've put, that I don't know where to start correcting you. In terms of Bulls players not getting paid, from this recent one it's the players not grasping the date they get paid. As for last year, the players were paid their full wages for the whole year.



Yes, there may have been people out of pocket when the old Bulls holding company went out of business. But I'm sure if you check there were plenty of people out of pocket when Huddersfield absorbed Sheffield Eagles, so your club is hardly whiter than white in this area so I wouldn't go throwing stones around if i were you.



In terms of Kopczak being an asset to the old club, that's hardly the point given that his contract was transferred to the new holding company which means he became an asset for the new club. But at least you're not trying to deny that he'd agreed to move BEFORE then, even though the rest of SL, including Huddersfield, had agreed not to attempt to sign any Bradford player until AFTER the situation at Bradford was resolved and the player and his new club LIED about this to both Bradford and the RFL in order to try and avoid having to make any payments for a player who WAS under contract and was approached before the anti-tamper deadline.

There was a gentlemans agreement which is worth jack Sh1t3 as you and I know fair well, you cannot transfer someone's contract to a new company without their agreement, and that sums your shower up where you want to transfer the players contracts but forget the debts!!



The Bulls are not the squeaky clean outfit you claim and iirc you were found to have broken the salary cap on the past. Maybe this is a sign of things to come and I'm sure some people will feel you have got what you deserved cos I haven't really seen any punishment just yet?

You need to calm down

Doesn't change the fact that your club and one of your players are liars. Also, I've never said the Bulls are whiter than white. You, however, seem to be getting very het up over the fact that Hudder-Shef Giant Liars also have a less than stellar reputation

Plenty of those about fella

Indeed, we know it is worth jack Sh1t3 to you, because you flagrantly broke it.



Nobody else did.



So their word would seem to be worth something to every other club. Except yours.



Nice.





This is a bit complicated for you, isn't it son? The transferring was done not by our old club or new club but by a chap who was acting as the administrator. Look it up.



Anyway, there is a point there. You lot DID transfer someone's contract to a new company (Huddersfield) without our agreement. Or to be precise, you agreed the deal. On 8th August 2012. Then you lied about it.





You really don't understand anything, do you, poor love. That chap called the administrator transferred the assets. He sold them to a new company. OK Bulls. The full value of all the net money the administrator got in went towards the old club's debts. That's how it works.





Ah, so that's it. No "punishment". Tell us, who exactly should be "punished", and for what? Omar Khan should be punished? The Bulls players should be punished? The fans who support the team should be punished? What do any of them deserve to be "punished" for?

Ok - you stand corrected







The players were the only ones, including Koppy, who were fully paid & protected. Staff, coaches, fans & creditors lost out.







Ah - now this is the interesting bit. The new Bulls company, which as you accept has still been saddled with a £1.5m penalty.



The 3 options for the £1.5m money which the 13 clubs stripped from the new company were :



1) Keep it for themselves

2) Spend it on grass roots

3) voluntarily pay back the creditors (who were owed approx £1.5m) which from your post would have been your preferred option.



Unfortunately Uncle Ken successfully managed to lobby an 8:5 majority to line their own pockets.