Did i not say something similar at the top of the page?



No-one listens to me any more!

Exactly, Saints have been exposed as one trick ponies, especially so given the nucleus of their successful sides has grown old.



Where we were once derided as being biffballers with no plan B it now looks like Saints have been rumbled as simple dummy half scooters with no plan B either.

I don`t know where you got your copy from but mine only mentions the player; in front of the KICKER is offside.

Its what you get told on the refs course.

Agree, that hasn't helped them . . . . . . but I still think there is more.



Whilst the quick play the balls gave them the head of steam they were always good at the footie in broken play / throwing the ball around - which isn't QPTB specific.



There be (more/greater) trouble at t'mill, I tell ye . . . . ..

Aye, 'appen.

Agreed I've seen a fair few 40-20s given where the ball is being struck by the kicking foot over the 40m line but the non kicking foot is behind it.

That rule states:





If the example you cite is given as a 40/20 then clearly the position of the ball and the kicking foot "outside" the 40 is being held irrelevant, and the ref is judging the player to have kicked the ball from the point where he "is" i.e. where his back foot is.



I suppose that's the same as any other 'line' decision, i.e. you can hang over the touchline as long as you don't touch the ground, you can bat a ball back into play from feet 'outside' the pitch as long as you are in mid-air and have jumped from in-field.



But I still reckon that if the kick did not make touch, then to be onside, a chasing player would only have to be level with or behind the ball - even if his feet were both slightly outside the 40. Anyway that's how i think they interpret it.

Thinking about this,

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I also found this in the rule book...



46.1.2 Onside/offside from a penalty.

An attacking player is offside during a penalty kick if he is in front of the kicker at the point the ball is struck. However, if the ball strikes one of the uprights and bounces back out to said "offside player" and he then goes on to score a match winning try the incident will be deemed as "funny" and the try will stand. (See rule amendment 49.2.4 - Funny)

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