I thought Kearney lessened his capacity at mebourne when he took the Kiwi role and McGuire stepped up to assistant coach?

Kearney is an assistant coach at Melbourne and can be seen sat next to Bellamy at all their games, so he certainly doesn't concentrate solely on the Kiwis as was suggested.

Kearney is an assistant coach at Melbourne and can be seen sat next to Bellamy at all their games, so he certainly doesn't concentrate solely on the Kiwis as was suggested. Ditto Sheens for Aus.

Which is exactly most peoples point, whilst New Zealand have moved forward we appear to be moving backwards or at the very least standing still, either way it's not good







Again Smith is being touted as a failure not because of a succcesful 2007 but because of failures since then. If New Zealands progression to win the world cup is classed as a success surely Englands failure to kick on from 2007 must be classed as a failure.



Let's just wait and see what happens in a months time, I'll be happy to come back and eat a bit of humble pie if I'm wrong.

My bad

Moving backwards or standing still since when?

Of course we moved backwards since 2007 (if 2007 ever actually happened) with a poor performance in 2008. But then again, the Aussies must have moved backwards too seeing as they failed to win.

How can we have moved backwards, forwards or anything since then?









Failures?

In two major tournaments under Smith, we've been great in one and poor in one. You deem that making the coach a failure?

I think that to develop the international game it would make sence for Tony to be able to invite all british eligible players for train-on squad, but this only affects the country they play for if they swap to play for england.



So value for players, mixing youth with the top players of the moment, but they can still go back to play for Ireland/Scotland.

So we agree then







By their standards, absolutely. Do you think most Aussies view their world cup a succcess?







Since 2008, although we have played no tournaments and indeed beaten the French since

, we have moved backwars IMO because we have gone from a full time coaching setup to a part time one.







Seeing as the one that we were poor in (and let's face it we weren't poor, we were e) was the most recent one, many people would say YES.

Of course.

What were you expecting? A World Cup win?





but yet they are not all "woe is me" "we might as well not bother"





So not related to results or performance at all?







If you're going to claim we were poop in 2008, I'm going to claim we were awesome in 2007. In which case on your measurement basis we have a two year result of being OK.



On my measurement basis one great year + one bad year = another year to see what happens next but you aren't deemed a failure yet.

I think Welham was very unlucky to miss out. Played every game for a top four team and scored 13 tries in the process. Not too shabby for his first full season.

Don't talk wet man. Kris is a decent kid but is a million miles away from being good enough to pull on an international shirt.

That's as maybe, but since this is the [uEngland train on[/u squad he might consider himself unlucky not to be involved.