Funny that, there was 8,500+ between them when the two teams played a couple of weeks ago!





I agree that 3,000 away regularly would probably be a bit high but I disagree that it would only be a big game (not the biggest obviously) for Wigan. Definitely Widnes as well and you could also probably include Warrington and Saints in that. Lets face it, I would argue that all of these teams would see them as "bigger games" than playing any of Salford, Quins, Cas, Wakefield, Cats, Huddersfield - thats virtually half the league! Plus we would bring more away fans than all of them.

The title of the campaign should be looked at again. It just makes you look chippy. Fair enough start a campaign to bring back P&R, but 'Hate the RFL' is just childish IMHO. Plenty of people who would support a P&R campaign won't back this, as they don't hate the RFL.



I believe the RFL are doing a good job overall in difficult circumstances. They aren't perfect and a positive campaign may be good, but not a protest like this.

The voice of reason.

on what planet was there an attendance of over 8,500 watching leigh play halifax? or have i missed something.

nor would leigh bring more away fans than Cas or huddersfield.

Northern Rail Cup Final. I can't believe you didn't realise it was on.

and just as with CC finals how many of those where supporters of other teams? you wont get a load of widnes, batley and barrow supporters (to name a few) turning up for a league game between fax and leigh. unlike the NRC final.

I must agree that the name doesn't sound right even to me as a Fax fan.



The problem with the game wide response to this Halifax-Wakefield argument is that every other teams fan is seeing this as a temporary setback for Halifax.

It is not, this is the beginning of the end for Halifax. This rejection has confirmed many Fax fans beliefs that no matter what we do we will not get into SL. At the end of the day nobody in Halifax wants to watch seasons of friendlies and the attendances will decline year on year. Unless something drastic is done we will, within a decade, become the next founder club playing amateur rugby ala Bramley. With this action the Supporters trust appear to be trying to avoid that the only way they can.

If they brought back P&R then they'd see the annual merrygo round of clubs going into administration. It used to be a standing joke that you knew the season was on because Fax had gone into administration again.



All that P&R will do is succeed at killing clubs entirely. Within 3 years the top clubs of C1 and the bottom clubs of SL will be on their backsides, flooded with mediocre journeymen to avoid relegation and uttery devoid of a youth setup.



At the top of SL the big clubs will have a strangle hold on the best talent, cherry picking the best youngsters and imports and allowing the rest to fight over scraps.



How can I be sure of this? Because that's EXACTLY how RL used to be like until they ditched this utterly idiotic notion of P&R

But super league would have an impact on fans. And I am pretty sure Leigh had 3000 fans at Bloomfield road.



As for attendances, in 2005 in Super League our lowest home attendance was 3201 against London. Our average gate in SL 2005 was 4735 (which incidently is 600 above the current average for salford this current season 2011), the growth of the game in SL at ALL clubs has improved attendances, even Widnes have seen sharp increases this year already. Many fans at clubs such as Leigh and Halifax are old timers and do not believe in this franchise malarky so have simply abandoned going to spend £xxx a year on a pointless exercise because even if we win everything, we have to do it all again the following year.



My post stated we should work towards meeting criteria in 3 years.



If your so opposed to growth in the game maybe we should stop all youth in the lower leagues, put the metal shutters up and just fold 110 years of rugby league because there is nowhere to go?



The difference in leagues has a major impact on attendance.



Castleford average attendance 2006 SL - 7096

Castleford average attendance 2005 NL - 5500

Castleford average attendance 2004 SL - 7034



1500 fans difference per game on average

i think the point is teams like widnes,leigh & halifax busted a gut to meet the criteria and spent millions in the process........where as the likes of wakefield & castleford have done bugger all but got in





does'nt look good does it? why would anyone want to invest in a championship club?





on the subject of P&R........how would a play off game between the championship champions and the team that finishes bottom of superleague sit with you lot?

Leigh didn't try and get in this year the vision is 2014 so that we can build as a business

Which is Exactly how it should be done.



I understand why Fax are aggrieved, but it's too soon for them really. They'll have zero preparation time to put a squad together, ramp up infrastructure and find sponsors. But if they methodically plan and prepare for 3 years they will be a shoe in.



If it gets to the stage where the top 4 of the championship and bottom 4 of Superleague are interchangeable then P&R might return. We are no where near that yet.