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| Quote maurice="maurice"Look Pal I know you are a visitor to our great nation and that you probably descend from convict stock but that was a very poor wind up when you exclude RU's failure to grow its own wood from the list.
The British disease is quick fix/the grass is greener, but then again we have more than 4 RU teams, 6 county cricket clubs etc
We need to stick to 2 overseas per club max, and make them the best 2 capable of adding to thge team and bringing the juniors through. Having said that the NRL would be in a mess with only 2 overseas.
Its about creating the opportunity for the 18-20 yo, not closing doors on them and that is what we are doing.'"
Errrrm I actually descend from German stock but thanks for caring.
If you got rid of all the Aussies from your competion it would be like watching amateur park footy week in week out.
And I'm afraid to say that is a FACT.
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| Quote Barry_McKenzie="Barry_McKenzie"I'll try and put this really really simply.
The UK does not produce enough decent sportsmen.
This doesnt just apply to footy but also Cricket (English national team is like South Africa's B team), The Soccer national side (England havent won anything since 1966) The English premier league (most of the players are foreign)
I'm sure there are other examples too but I have a filthy hangover and I really cant be bothered to try and think.
The Superleague has so many overseas players because even though they are generally old, sick, lame, idle or unwanted in the NRL they are still far better than anything England Scotland or Wales can produce.
If you got rid of all the Aussies, Kiwis and Islanders playing here watching superleague would be even more like Park footy than it already is.'"
I've asked this question in the past but got no answer but hey ho, I'll give it another go;
Whilst there is no doubt that the Aussies have better talent at the highest level, what is the ratio of non fair dinkum Aussies' (Kiwi's, Islanders) etc. plying their trade in the NRL as opposed to non true Brits in Superleague?
I suspect that both leagues are propped up by imports in order to make up the numbers.
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| Quote Redchemic="Redchemic"I've asked this question in the past but got no answer but hey ho, I'll give it another go;
Whilst there is no doubt that the Aussies have better talent at the highest level, what is the ratio of non fair dinkum Aussies' (Kiwi's, Islanders) etc. plying their trade in the NRL as opposed to non true Brits in Superleague?
I suspect that both leagues are propped up by imports in order to make up the numbers.'"
Mate I cant be bothered to research that one.
Junior Footy in Australia at lower levels is popular with a lot of islanders (because they are big b astards even aged 14) And a lot of islanders are Aussie born anyway.
Consequently a lot of them carry on and make it into grown up footy.
But in the same breath I would wager that the standard of true blue dinki di Aussie kids playing footy every Saturday is probably higher than their English equivalents over here in the UK
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| Quote Barry_McKenzie="Barry_McKenzie"Mate I cant be bothered to research that one.
Junior Footy in Australia at lower levels is popular with a lot of islanders (because they are big b astards even aged 14) And a lot of islanders are Aussie born anyway.
Consequently a lot of them carry on and make it into grown up footy.
But in the same breath I would wager that the standard of true blue dinki di Aussie kids playing footy every Saturday is probably higher than their English equivalents over here in the UK'"
Not entirely evident over the last few years when touring sides have met. There are good results for our youth (at least a few years back anyway) at representative level - but like you, I can't be bothered researching that  .
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| Quote Maximus Decimus="Maximus Decimus"[iYou specifically mentioned licensing [/iso you cannot bring in attempts to reduce the quote before that.
The Crusaders have used many Welsh players in those 5 years but the vast majority are not good enough, this is not a shock as they are not a RL playing nation. You are expecting far too much. Melbourne Storm are a dominant Australian RL side and have been around for nearly 15 years yet I'm not sure they have a single Victorian in their team.
[I suspect melbourne ,an Oz club, have plenty of Australians and NZ Warriors have plenty of New Zealanders so maybe is not such a stretch for a British club to have more than 4 Brits in a team of 17!
I don't see why you expect them to play English players when they are Welsh. Everybody knew that the Crusaders would be filled with Australians for many years to come, many of us argued against it for this reason but it's hardly a shock and plucking a non-shocking statistic doesn't change that.
[It is not shocking. never said it was. It is however pathetic. What a joke the Crusaders are for having so many Oz players. Also wakey are no better with 10 NF trained.
You praised Quins yet ignore how many Australians they were playing after 2 years in Super League. It took them a lot longer to produce any Southern based players.
[I praised Quins for this season not their appalling past record.
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Do take the time to read what I wrote before you go off on one
In the opening post I wrote:
" with all the licencing and [i quota rules[/i "
Can you see that? I do hope so. 
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| Quote Barry_McKenzie="Barry_McKenzie"Errrrm I actually descend from German stock but thanks for caring.
If you got rid of all the Aussies from your competion it would be like watching amateur park footy week in week out.
And I'm afraid to say that is a FACT.'"
That would be the Bavarian McKenzies would it?
Lot of Wakey sore losers on here eh? Why do they think Wrexham Crusaders have been around 5 years? It's not one yet?
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| whats a matter arent the crusaders turning up and getting rolled over every week does that not suit some of you,christ they been going since january in a place who 99 per cent of population have never seen a game and certainly couldnt tell you the rules.give it chance the wxm council the owners and the locals in what is a massive catchment area could make it work but its gna take a while .i believe we will average 7 thou plus this yr which wont be bad ,if we were getting battered every week because it was full of welsh youngsters this would be the last time we got a franchise .give it time fellas
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| Quote wxmsaders="wxmsaders"christ they been going since january '"
Gotta love that bit aint ya .
If they have only been going since January how come they have a SL licence ?
Oh yes ! They stole it .
Boot 'em out now . Let one of the other applicants have their place , and make Crusaders RL apply for a SL licence next time they are up for renewal .
I was all for the expansion idea when it first happened , but this is a farce .Didn't I read somewhere that seeing as they are a new team they are allowed more overseas players than the rest of the SL teams ? So they have nicked a licence , and are cheating , and all with the blessing of the RFL .
It really is an embarrassment .
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| Quote Traffic="Traffic"Credit to Quins who've been in Super League for how long?'"
That's not the point he's making. the new quota/federation rules were only brought in in the last few years.
SL Licences in 2009 included points for youth development. Since the 14 clubs have been granted a licence, Quins have stuck with a youth policy. Yes, it's not making massive gains on the field at present, but as pointed out, 2/17 against Saints is a great thing to see.
We've been making massive strides in this area; Sykes, Melling, LMS, Clubb and Purdham all given international honours whilst being Quins players.
This season we've brought in Wilkes, Ellis, Jones & Esders whilst loaning Jones-Bishop & Penny.
For so long, we've been branded as a team full of Aussies, and that's all changed now. Bulls bring in Orford, Kearney, L'Estrange and Hall all in one off-season; we've gone for Brits.
Harlequins - damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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| with no money, a state dominated by AFL and no NRL team to raise RL's profile, WA still produces players that go on to be 1st teamers in the NRL. Good structure, good coaching and a decent scouting system is what is needed in every part of the UK.
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| The Crusaders are coached by Noble who has a history of using large numbers of overseas players.
At Bradford he regularly had 8/9/10 non GB qualified players. At Wigan; who along with Leeds have the best junior set up in RL he would often play an entire backline with not one GB qualified player plus forwards.
Noble isn't interested in developing young players-too much like hard work- he would rather let the NRL clubs do that for him.
If you look through all the side in SL you could take out 3 overseas players out of each side and replace them with younger UK players and the standard would remain the same.
If you took Obst, Korkedas and Demitriou out of the Wakey side and put some of their excellent youngsters in would they be any worse - no. If Cas took out Sherwin, Evans and McGoldrick would it have a negative effect on another club that produce a lot of very good junior players - no.
That is the problem with SL - far too many very average Aussie players.
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| Quote Grendel="Grendel"Lot of Wakey sore losers on here eh?'"
Nope, there are a few threads on the Wakey and Crusaders forums clearly stating the best team won and
wishing the Crusaders and thier fans all the best.
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