I think Cameron resigning has more or less cleared the decks for article 50 to kick in, which is a document that apparently no one knows how to implement involving 80 000 pages of agreements guff to sift through, which obviously KOLPAC be in there somewhere.

you never say never in politics until it actually happens which won't be for at least 2 years. plenty of time for political manouvering. not saying i agree with that but that's the way it will go



i also find it interesting that those voting out have probably signed up to a lifetime of tory rule. the first thing that will happen is scotland will seek and get independence. chances northern ireland may seek to join with the republic (less likely but possible). this will leave the uk as england and wales. if labour lose the scottish vote they lose every election, unless the electoral system is reformed.

Birmingham was 50-50, essentially. Its suburbs were strongly Leave.



Liverpool, Manchester, Norwich, Bristol, Gloucester, Newcastle, Leicester, Leeds, York, Brighton, Exeter, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cambridge and Oxford all voted Remain. There's a map circulating social media right now which is very misleading as it ups it to regional level, and rubs out the cities. Essentially, the Cities voted Remain. The suburbs, towns and most of the shores voted Leave.



Likewise, a majority of people with jobs, both part-and full-time, voted Remain. A majority of people without jobs (which means far more Retired than unemployed), voted Leave.



There was a direct correlation between education and voting. The higher your level of education, the more you were likely to vote Remain. The least educated voted Leave in the largest proportions.



There was also a direct correlation between age and voting. The older you were the more likely to vote Leave. 75% of 18-24 voted Remain, as did a clear majority of 25-49. 70% of 65+ voted Leave.



In a nutshell, this is a decision imposed on educated, working, younger people in Cities, by poorly-educated, non-working, older people in suburbs and small towns.



Don't have a go at me or that. That's just a factual account. If you don't like the way it sounds, I can't do anything about it except deny the facts, which I don't tend to do because I'm not into the whole "alternate reality" thing which so many Leave supporters have going on.

How did Wales vote again?

Looks likely that the lack of free movement will see Catalans travelling support dwindle.

Toronto Wolfpack are screwed already then?

Farage campaign pledge So what if I lied. Still like Goebbels said if you are going to tell a lie tell a big one and say it often enough people will believe it players.brightcove.net/624246174 ... s&autoplay £10 billion for rich Tories to use for tax cuts for the rich setting up academies to allow selection in education and more for bankers bonuses

Farage campaign pledge So what if I lied. Still like Goebbels said if you are going to tell a lie tell a big one and say it often enough people will believe it players.brightcove.net/624246174 ... s&autoplay £10 billion for rich Tories to use for tax cuts for the rich setting up academies to allow selection in education and more for bankers bonuses

Probably more an expansive outlook of London and the insularity of the provinces regardless of make up.

Yet for how well educated remain voters were they weren't smart enough to realise that constantly insulting leave voters in the build up as uneducated, racist, xenophobes etc. was really stupid and only helped in poking the bear.

The facts ain't wrong. I am rather hoping I'd turned on Yes Minister, fallen asleep and I'll wake up shortly, but that is a vain hope. Rather ironic the older generation go through hell to provide peace in Europe, enjoy the benefits and then screw their grand children. Some and probably more aren't poorly educated, they are more misinformed. The level and quality of debate was non-existent which says a lot about the politicians. The cultural shift in information so most only focus on what they want (social media and wider electronic content) has reduced information and thought. Or you believe the vision your newspaper spouts. You get what you want not something that might make you think. We are heading towards the vision in Idiocracy. However the impact on the sport regarding foreign players is less certain. I suppose we can go back to the ban on players moving between Northern and Southern Hemisphere that used to exist (pre KOLPAC) as that worked well.

Quote Roy Haggerty="Roy Haggerty" There was also a direct correlation between age and voting. The older you were the more likely to vote Leave. =#BF008075% of 18-24 voted Remain, as did a clear majority of 25-49. 70% of 65+ voted Leave. In a nutshell, this is a decision imposed on educated, working, younger people in Cities, by poorly-educated, non-working, older people in suburbs and small towns. Don't have a go at me or that. That's just a factual account. If you don't like the way it sounds, I can't do anything about it except deny the facts, which I don't tend to do because I'm not into the whole "alternate reality" thing which so many Leave supporters have going on.'" Maybe the young ones haven't done there homework and some have a lemmings mentality to Facebook, twitter etc, the EU destroys jobs for young people whilst GB are kicking in massive training programmes. I think the government need to interact more with the younger age group, they are the lifeblood of our future. Youth Unemployment in the EU: www.statista.com/statistics/2662 ... countries/ Greece 49% Spain 45% Italy 39% Portugal 30% Belgium 25% France 25% . . . . GREAT Britain 13% Youth Unemployment in Romania and Bulgaria 25% and Poland 21% is starting to fall because they are coming to the UK in the metropolitan areas of London, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow etc..

Quote Roy Haggerty="Roy Haggerty" There was also a direct correlation between age and voting. The older you were the more likely to vote Leave. =#BF008075% of 18-24 voted Remain, as did a clear majority of 25-49. 70% of 65+ voted Leave. In a nutshell, this is a decision imposed on educated, working, younger people in Cities, by poorly-educated, non-working, older people in suburbs and small towns. Don't have a go at me or that. That's just a factual account. If you don't like the way it sounds, I can't do anything about it except deny the facts, which I don't tend to do because I'm not into the whole "alternate reality" thing which so many Leave supporters have going on.'" Maybe the young ones haven't done there homework and some have a lemmings mentality to Facebook, twitter etc, the EU destroys jobs for young people whilst GB are kicking in massive training programmes. I think the government need to interact more with the younger age group, they are the lifeblood of our future. Youth Unemployment in the EU: www.statista.com/statistics/2662 ... countries/ Greece 49% Spain 45% Italy 39% Portugal 30% Belgium 25% France 25% . . . . GREAT Britain 13% Youth Unemployment in Romania and Bulgaria 25% and Poland 21% is starting to fall because they are coming to the UK in the metropolitan areas of London, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow etc..

I've got very little time for this argument. It essentially goes like this:



Leave voter says something racist

Remain supporter says "hey, that's racist"

Leave supporter says "see, you're so snobby"



Or



Leave supporter says something stupid

Remain supporter says "that's just not true - here's the reality"

Leave supporter says "you think you're so smart with your facts and you knowledge, looking down on me"



It's an impossible situation. Essentially it's a position which says that the only options are to accept ignorance and racism, or to accept the label of intellectual snob/sneerer: "if you disagree with me, you're attacking me". It's a position most parents will recognise when their children get angry with them for trying to correct their homework answers - the kids don't want to accept they are wrong, and so see the very act of correction as a personal insult.



Thing is, these are adults, and if we don't challenge them, their immature nonsense will take us into the abyss. Oh, it already has.