"Wild goose to Fat Controller"

"Fat Controller here"



"We have a renegade by the name of GSF"

"Move in, move in, smother".



"Can we delete post, over"?

"Negative Sir"



"Damn. OK, rule change. Engage rule change, over" . . . . .

...and yet the Scottish FA were totally against this. Let's face it, most of the clubs voted to demote Rangers to help themselves, not through any altruistic and "good of the game" motives. Hence Rangers looking at playing cup matches behind closed doors to make sure other clubs don't get a penny as they voted against Rangers.

They turned down some pretty unsubtle bribes, because anybody else would have had to start at the bottom and a system in which some are more equal than others is distinctly whiffy.



They took a principled position, which I think even many Rangers fans acknowledge, while RL took a pragamtic approach. Which was better is arguable and the circumstances aren't identical in any case. Their's was certainly more [iright[/i, and it drew a line under events. The resentment this had bred will bleed on for years, as was the case with all the previous fudges - but worse, because this time it was meant to be different.

So we're left needing a clean slate, a fresh start - all over again.

The quote from Big Nige about the "investment in Bradford is a vote of confidence in Super League" is my favourite piece of RFL spin ever.

Wereyou saying Widnes should have been relegated from Championship to Championship1 when they "cheated" as you call it and went into administration?



If that had been the ruling back then I would have accepted it, not sure on what the administration rules were at the time.



With the amount of bitterness you're showing it's hard to tell the difference.

Your club went through a similar situation to Bradford, yet you're don't call for your own expulsion from SL. That's hypocrisy of the highest order.



Bitterness has nothing to do with it, it is the injustice of the situation that I dislike & how unfair it is to the other clubs aspiring to SL. We were not in SL at the time so that does not stack up. See above being dropped to champ 1. As Starbug points out we were denied the chance of a SL franchise due to going into administration. I await with anticipation for the next round of licensing to see if the Bulls admnistration denies them a SL place.



Cheating? Yes when the Bulls received their grade B licence they covered up their financial woes, that is cheating and very worrying in that the RFL didn't spot it also????



In my opinion I really don't think that the RFL were daft enough to miss the fact that the Bulls were in trouble with money. They knew what the situation was & subsequently bought Odsal. This would mean that both the Bulls & the RFL were in cahoots covering the situation up. That makes the RFL corrupt & the Bulls cheats.

That rule change was voted through by the other SL clubs and has far more to do with self preservation than helping out Crusaders. As it happens Wakefield were the first club to benefit, and the Bulls the second.

Got proof of that have you?





The RFL bought the [ilease[/i to Odsal (not the ground) to recoup money they'd advanced to Bradford and they hadn't paid back. If they wanted to cover up the problems at the Bulls they wouldn't have asked for the money back - one of the things that precipitated the administration.



BTW - having money problems isn't against any rules and neither is there any requirement to make it public.

Yeah. Right. Not a bit. OK. You're not bitter. At all.







IT's neither unjust, and as it doesn't affect a single club aspiring to SL, it can't be unfair to them, now can it?





Which clearly is only because you are bitter. At the next licencing round the Bulls will have to apply with everyone else. There was no mini-licensing round in the end because no aspiring club wanted to self-destruct by bringing forward their application from 2014 to now, and anyone with half a brain can understand why.





Liar. That is just absolute rubbish.





Depending on how you define "in trouble with money", that would be to some degree pretty much every SL club bar probably Leeds. Don't be so dumb as to think the RFL does not know the financial pressures withinthe game. The published accounts of many clubs reveal where they are anyway.





Serious allegations as well as libellous and nonsense. You shouldn't present you own twisted and bitter views as fact. Start with this: WHAT "SITUATION"? The situation as it was then was certainly not the situation at the point when the club went into administration. Or do you think the RFL should employ clairvoyants too?



Cheats? WTF are you on about? In what way has anyone "cheated"? that is really silly.

Too right hey did - there'd only be 4 clubs in SL in the not too distant future! Stings a bit for widnes tho eh?



And do you believe the RFL didn't bend over backwards for Crusaders and artificially inflate their position?



Great "sport" we have eh?

Just to clarify to Widnes fans, this was on another thread called "lucky Bulls" which mysteriously disappeared. It was basically "a so-called Widnes" fans calling the Bulls cheats, i was basically asking the question did he think his club "cheated" when they went into administration?



I've no problem with fans having the opinion we should be chucked out, but don't get this "cheating" argument from. Don't think i have ever heard a team in administration been called cheats?

Im not going to call anyone a cheat. Im also not interested in an argument. I think wackerchemic has used some inflammatory language that may have spoiled his point. Wether we brand it cheating or not, I believe direct comparison between the widnes and Bradford situations is erroneous, simply because both sides ended up in admin does not mean they did so due to the same circumstance. Widnes ended up in admin because Vaughn was a fraudulent Ba@%ard and was both siphoning of cash left right and centre and I believe using the club as a front for other dodgy business transactions involving overseas assets. On the other hand Bradford appear to have simply spent money they dont have, on a squad they couldn't afford, based on cuckoo cash flow projections and the frankly mental belief that selling season tickets for 20 pence made good business sense. Im not saying its cheating, im just saying the two situations are quite different.

I would also add, whilst i dont believe any team has a god given right to remain in superleague, the decision to give Bradford essentially a one year grace is the only viable option.



I would also add that anyone who truly believes the rfls decision to buy the odsal lease was entirely innocent has been smoking too much crack.

Just to clarify to every single Bradford fan on the planet (sarcasm) it was only one Widnes single fan who made any such point on that thread and it's rather interesting that a few posters have jumped on it to steer the issue in a different direction.



One fan making his own opinion does not represent every single damn one of us nor is his opinion unable to be seperated from the team he supports.



This is lazy, tiresome, predictable stupidity. I don't need clarification. Wackerchemic represents himself and only himself and he has a right to his opinion.



One fan. One. Think!