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| So tell us pray do, how many club trained players did Hudds have when they played Catalans?
Huddersfield failed to fulfil their U20s fixture last week v Wigan. That is the second season they have done that.
We'd all like more "local" players in our squad no doubt at Hudds too!
Catalans is a massive success story for RL.
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| Quote JEAN CAPDOUZE="JEAN CAPDOUZE"BBC will televise 2 Challenge Cup matches this weekend: Wigan vs St Helens Saturday at 14.15 on BBC One and Catalans vs Warrington Sunday at at 14.45 on BBC Two.
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So Wigan vs St Helens has the prestige coverage and Catalans vs Warrington fans are insulted twice. The match is on BBC Two, which is the second channel. And the match is commentated not by the number 1 rugby league commentator in Britain, Dave Woods, but by a very old and sometimes confused man named Ray French along with Davies.
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So you're insulted by the fact that the BBC actually wanted to show your game?
Of course you are on BBC2. That is because yours is the Sunday game and it's been that way for, well, years.
The Wigan-Saints game is the match of the round and there are reasons for that: firstly, it's one of if not the best derby game around and secondly, Wigan and Saints are the two biggest names in the Challenge Cup because Wigan have won the most Challenge Cups and Saints the second most Challenge Cups. So what did you expect exactly?
As for the commentators ... Dave Woods is ok but only ok. Really the only advantage he has over Ray French is that he can remember people's names, unlike Ray French. But I'm sure Ray will give it his best shot.
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| Quote Odem="Odem"Teach Andy Gray about RL and get him in
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| The bigger question for our French friend is what tv channel are showing the game in France? None
Start your moaning with them before you start having a pop at our channels. Don't forget to pop a cheque in the post so you can pay the licence fee as well.
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"I have already pointed out a number of more than capable French players who are contracted to Catalans but are unable to find a regular place because of the strength and depth of the squad. Accusing them of not developing players is ignorant in the extreme.
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They are unable to get selected because you have around 10 ! non french players. Your latest superstar signing is Ben Fisher
The idea that playing only 8 or 9 frenchmen constitutes a quality development system is ignorant in the extreme.[/u
You are seriously suggesting that signing top-class overseas imports is the same as signing juniors from outside a club's catchment area?
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In that case, why should the onus be on Catalans to develop these players more than any other Super League club? As I've already pointed out, Catalans already have a surplus of talent, and they have their own youth systems in which they bring through more than their share of local juniors. Like I said, only 4 of last year's victorious France U18's side are contracted to Catalans. There isn't enough room at a single club to properly develop so many young players and still be competitive. It's absolutely baffling to me that so many Super League clubs are ignorant and oblivious to this talent pool, or think that all French players should have to play for Catalans. Like you've said, it's an entire country. To expect one club in one region to be responsible for the entirety of that country is absurd.
[i[u[Wow ! all that talent. Such an abundance. Yet catalan dragons still rely heavily on overseas players and resort to signing Ben Fisher.....you couldn't make it up.
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| Quote Teessidewire="Teessidewire"Just out of interest, have you ever actually been to France and are you aware of how large the country is?'"
Paris half a dozen times. Perpignan 4 + Toulouse twice. HTH
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| Quote Father Ted="Father Ted"So tell us pray do, how many club trained players did Hudds have when they played Catalans?
Huddersfield failed to fulfil their U20s fixture last week v Wigan. That is the second season they have done that.
We'd all like more "local" players in our squad no doubt at Hudds too!
Catalans is a massive success story for RL.'"
do start a thread on club trained players. That would be thrilling. I will be sure to contribute.
Catalans is a massive success in many ways. However bringing through young French players to play in SL has been very dissappointing.
With a realigned cap and greater pressure re non fed trained players they may struggle.
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| Quote Wow ! all that talent. Such an abundance. Yet catalan dragons still rely heavily on overseas players and resort to signing Ben Fisher.....you couldn't make it up.
'" The club signed Ben Fisher as cover during an injury crisis, because the two first choice players (Henderson and Pelissier) were unavailable for extended periods. Huddersfield recently signed Scott Moore in similar circumstances, so unless you are a complete hypocrite then you really should think more about what you are posting. As I have explained several times, not all of the talent in France is readily accessible to Catalans Dragons, just as not all the talent in England is accessible to Huddersfield Giants. The club signs overseas players for the same reason as every other club - because they want to assemble the strongest squad possible. Your argument that they should limit themselves just because they are French is absolute stupidity, and if that's not what you are arguing then I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? If you are a simple-minded moron who thinks that every single French player should play for Catalans and nobody else, then that's your problem. I look forward to seeing your club overtaken in a few years though when other Super League sides wake up to the obvious benefits of tapping into this talent pool.
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"The club signed Ben Fisher as cover during an injury crisis, because the two first choice players (Henderson and Pelissier) were unavailable for extended periods. Huddersfield recently signed Scott Moore in similar circumstances, so unless you are a complete hypocrite then you really should think more about what you are posting. As I have explained several times, not all of the talent in France is readily accessible to Catalans Dragons, just as not all the talent in England is accessible to Huddersfield Giants. The club signs overseas players for the same reason as every other club - because they want to assemble the strongest squad possible. Your argument that they should limit themselves just because they are French is absolute stupidity, and if that's not what you are arguing then I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? If you are a simple-minded moron who thinks that every single French player should play for Catalans and nobody else, then that's your problem. I look forward to seeing your club overtaken in a few years though when other Super League sides wake up to the obvious benefits of tapping into this talent pool.'"
No hypocracy at all. You either cannot understand the details or have been too lazy to get them. Oh dear...silly you.
Lunt was unhappy with low minutes at the Giants behind Robinson. He is on big bucks. so Lunt was moved to Leeds and Moore brought in (Moore's style of play better fits how the Giants play). This also freed up money so Fairbanks, and possibly Eden, can be given extended contracts. so no similarity in circumstances at all.
[u "You really should think more about what you are posting". [/uYou utter chump.
I have never said the Dragons should limit themselves because they are french. Please stop making up my arguments...stick to making up your 'facts' a la Moore.
You got it wrong on Moore and keep resorting to addressing things i never wrote...oh dear.
All those years developing French talent and the dragons have signed Ben Fisher 
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| Moore was signed as a replacement for the injured Tommy Lee and the departing Shaun Lunt. Fisher was signed as a replacement for the injured Henderson and Pelissier. Both have been signed to fill virtually the same role within their squads, so your argument is completely hypocritical and appears to suggest that you think Catalans do not have the same right to sign players as other Super League clubs, simply because they are French. If you are not suggesting that Catalans should limit themselves, then what are you suggesting? Do you have any sort of argument at all, or are you just making ignorant statements for the sake of it?
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"Moore was signed as a replacement for the injured Tommy Lee and the departing Shaun Lunt. Fisher was signed as a replacement for the injured Henderson and Pelissier. Both have been signed to fill virtually the same role within their squads, so your argument is completely hypocritical and appears to suggest that you think Catalans do not have the same right to sign players as other Super League clubs, simply because they are French. If you are not suggesting that Catalans should limit themselves, then what are you suggesting? Do you have any sort of argument at all, or are you just making ignorant statements for the sake of it?'"
You are utterley clueless re the Giants. So stop digging numbnuts.  I have explained what happened. The Giants have a former NZ no9 in Faiumu who has covered for Lee so the comparison you are desperate to make with Dragons signing Fisher is even less credible. Oh dear. Try again.
Like wakey a few years ago and HKR I think Catalans have way too many overseas players. This is all the more dissapointing given all the RL'talent' in France and only one SL team. It would appear the Dragons prefer to sign a player like Fisher rather than develop french players. Ho hum.
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| Quote Cripesginger="Cripesginger"You are utterley clueless re the Giants. So stop digging numbnuts.
I have explained what happened. The Giants have a former NZ no9 in Faiumu who has covered for Lee so the comparison you are desperate to make with Dragons signing Fisher is even less credible. Oh dear. Try again.
'" Catalans have Gregory Mounis who has played at hooker for France in the past. That doesn't mean it's preferable for him to play there. The situations are almost exactly the same. Both clubs wanted an experienced player to fill a gap in the squad caused by incumbents being unavailable. Your attempts to deny this are absolutely ridiculous. If any other club had lost their first and second choice hookers to lengthy injuries and had brought in an experienced player like Fisher for cover, you wouldn't have batted an eyelid. I'm not sure why you feel the need to question Catalans' right to do this simply because they are French.
Quote CripesgingerLike wakey a few years ago and HKR I think Catalans have way too many overseas players. This is all the more dissapointing given all the RL'talent' in France and only one SL team. It would appear the Dragons prefer to sign a player like Fisher rather than develop french players. Ho hum.'" They do have a few too many overseas players. So do most clubs. This is mitigated by the fact that if Catalans need an experienced first grade player, they are forced to look overseas, since there aren't any other professional clubs in France. That doesn't mean they aren't producing players. Fisher was signed due largely to the injury to Eloi Pelissier, a 20 year old hooker, and has barely featured since Pelissier returned to fitness. Your own club were carved up at the weekend by Damien Cardace, who wasn't even part of the 25 man squad at the start of the year. You appear to be so ignorant about RL in France that I doubt you would even know about the existence of these two players had they not joined Catalans. If you feel Catalans aren't fully taking advantage of the available talent in France then I'm not sure why you are complaining, that means more available talent for the other clubs. Unsurprisingly though, you instead seem to want to sarcastically deny its existence rather than taking the initiative to look beyond your own back yard. A typical and ultimately pathetic attitude in British RL.
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