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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"The medical evidence is clear - hits to the head can cause serious long-term health issues. The reason the NRL and SL are getting tougher on any and all 'tackles' which hit the head is to prevent being sued down the track. Its all very well players being big and tough in their 20s, but if you don't think they'll sue the sport, their team, their opponents and anybody else if a large payout looms 20 years down the track then you're nuts.
My own view (and clearly not the 'minority' no matter what ECT et al say) is that people vastly overplay the importance of the shoulder charge. There aren't that many in a game and most fail to make any meaningful contact at all, and I have never understood why in the past contact with the head resulting from a shoulder charge was treated differently to a swinging arm. If anything the current focus on shoulder charges to the head is simply correcting a ridiculous past inconsistency.
When you add the facts that they can often injure the tackler, and the majority simply miss to the fact that they're now being - rightly - penalised for any contact with the head, its not hard to understand why a ban of shoulder charges needn't happen. Any sensible coach would tell their players not to do it - the risks generally far outweigh the rewards of a spectacular 'hit'.
And Cronus, the responsibility for how a tackle pans out is clearly ALWAYS with the tackler(s) not the player with the ball. You think someone would deliberately ('stupidly' as you put it) run into a shoulder face first? That's about as sensbile as suggesting Rob Burrow getting hit high is his fault because he's short.'"
You might want to [imake that easier to understand for the lesser educated[/i |
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"The medical evidence is clear - hits to the head can cause serious long-term health issues. The reason the NRL and SL are getting tougher on any and all 'tackles' which hit the head is to prevent being sued down the track. Its all very well players being big and tough in their 20s, but if you don't think they'll sue the sport, their team, their opponents and anybody else if a large payout looms 20 years down the track then you're nuts.
My own view (and clearly not the 'minority' no matter what ECT et al say) is that people vastly overplay the importance of the shoulder charge. There aren't that many in a game and most fail to make any meaningful contact at all, and I have never understood why in the past contact with the head resulting from a shoulder charge was treated differently to a swinging arm. If anything the current focus on shoulder charges to the head is simply correcting a ridiculous past inconsistency.
When you add the facts that they can often injure the tackler, and the majority simply miss to the fact that they're now being - rightly - penalised for any contact with the head, its not hard to understand why a ban of shoulder charges needn't happen. Any sensible coach would tell their players not to do it - the risks generally far outweigh the rewards of a spectacular 'hit'.
And Cronus, the responsibility for how a tackle pans out is clearly ALWAYS with the tackler(s) not the player with the ball. You think someone would deliberately ('stupidly' as you put it) run into a shoulder face first? That's about as sensbile as suggesting Rob Burrow getting hit high is his fault because he's short.'"
What medical evidence? What evidence says shoulder charges that do NOT hit a player in the head need to be outlawed? And if you want them banned you ARE in the minority. The poll on LU has 87% against banning shoulder charges. That's because 87% of RL supporters know that to ban all shoulder charges because some hit players in the head is as stupid as banning ALL tackles because some hit players in the head. Not only that but the players themselves don't want them banned. And if you want to play the "they'll sue" card then every single injury ever caused by any event in any sport could be make sport just as liable. So this crap about litigation is utter nonsense. |
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| Quote ECT="ECT"A shoulder charge is a tackle you union playing soccer fairy. Luckily RL is better than those other sports and the shoulder charge is one of the reasons why. Fortunately real rugby league people don't watch or play those other codes and the vast, vast majority of real RL people are dead against banning tackles, of any style, that don't make contact with the head.'"
Nice one. Generous 6 out of 10.
'Real rugby league people don't have an interest in anything other than Rugby League'!
There's me thinking it would be great for the sport to shed it's insular inward looking image to attract more fans. Of course, real rugby league people [idon't want no outsiders comin round these ere parts[/i!
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"The medical evidence is clear - hits to the head can cause serious long-term health issues. The reason the NRL and SL are getting tougher on any and all 'tackles' which hit the head is to prevent being sued down the track. Its all very well players being big and tough in their 20s, but if you don't think they'll sue the sport, their team, their opponents and anybody else if a large payout looms 20 years down the track then you're nuts.
My own view (and clearly not the 'minority' no matter what ECT et al say) is that people vastly overplay the importance of the shoulder charge. There aren't that many in a game and most fail to make any meaningful contact at all, and I have never understood why in the past contact with the head resulting from a shoulder charge was treated differently to a swinging arm. If anything the current focus on shoulder charges to the head is simply correcting a ridiculous past inconsistency.
When you add the facts that they can often injure the tackler, and the majority simply miss to the fact that they're now being - rightly - penalised for any contact with the head, its not hard to understand why a ban of shoulder charges needn't happen. Any sensible coach would tell their players not to do it - the risks generally far outweigh the rewards of a spectacular 'hit'.
And Cronus, the responsibility for how a tackle pans out is clearly ALWAYS with the tackler(s) not the player with the ball. You think someone would deliberately ('stupidly' as you put it) run into a shoulder face first? That's about as sensbile as suggesting Rob Burrow getting hit high is his fault because he's short.'"
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| Quote Redchemic="Redchemic"Nice one. Generous 6 out of 10.
=#FF4000we welcome everyone with open arms is what i really meant
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As Brisbane says, there's no need to ban shoulder charges so long as they're penalised and punished rightly when there is a dangerous shoulder charge.
The Puletua one was the correct decision, unfortunate for Puletua, but if he wants to use his shoulder like that he's going to have to be more careful.
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sorry guys this was a good topic ETC taking a 7 day break for swearing and abuse can we get back on topic or it will be locked thank you
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| Quote ECT="ECT"A shoulder charge is a tackle you union playing soccer fairy. Luckily RL is better than those other sports and the shoulder charge is one of the reasons why. Fortunately [u[ireal rugby league people don't watch or play those other [/i[/u[u[icodes[/i[/u and the vast, vast majority of real RL people are dead against banning tackles, of any style, that don't make contact with the head.'"
Our game is now a summer sport, are you suggesting that we should all go and sit in a cupboard during winter, so that we're not tainted by these other sports. Get real, I've followed my team for 50 years, and see nothing wrong with transferring my allegiance to a local non-league football team whilst my first choice are in off-season. Your opinion seems to be that I, and many like me, are not real rugby league people. |
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| Quote Hessle Roader="Hessle Roader"Our game is now a summer sport, are you suggesting that we should all go and sit in a cupboard during winter, so that we're not tainted by these other sports. Get real, I've followed my team for 50 years, and see nothing wrong with transferring my allegiance to a local non-league football team whilst my first choice are in off-season. Your opinion seems to be that I, and many like me, are not real rugby league people.'"
Without RU we wouldn't have had players like Tony Myler, Dave Myers, Jonathan Davies, John Devereux, Martin Offiah, Emosi Koloto, Alan Tait, Paul Moriarty et al gracing TGG. That's just at Widnes.
IMO a shoulder charge is very difficult to perform at high speed whilst 'guaranteeing' you don't hit your opponent in the head. That is the reason I believe it should be outlawed........not to mention the fact that a high proportion of these hits result in the player not being held and a gap in the defensive line is opened up for the opposition to exploit. If anyone wants to see these, then maybe they should swith their allegiance to WWE/WWF  . |
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Puletua could quite easily avoided being sent off by just bending his back, poor lazy technique.
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