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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Without significant investement in the Championships the time frame is irrelivant , no club will ever be in a position to bridge the gap, barring perhaps a club pulling in a Ken Davy type investor willing to put tens of millions in to buy fans and ultimatley a SL place '" Twas always thus and it always will be.
It was the same under P+R
Quote StarbugIn the meantime the bottom half of SL will also wither and die'" Except it isnt withering is it. More people are going to watch it. Clubs who didnt qualify for the playoffs before are qualifying now, your chicken licken impression is simply nonsense.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"I think a club should be able to run a full time squad on the money in SL, but there is no system we could put in place a system which stopped some chairmen making stupid decisions.
Wakefield dont get anymore money now from Sky than they did under Ted Richardson, Andrew Glover has simply proved a much better businessman.'"
Or is Glover simply chucking money down a bottomless pit? There's a difference between a club breaking even/making a profit through sound business sense and a club that simply spends it's Chairman's retirement money. Huddersfield and London are examples.
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Their bid was only good enough to be considered and then rejected. So yes, there [iis[/i a question over whether they can put together a good enough bid.'"
Given that the plan seems to be that 'team 14' (whoever it may be  ), will make good on the advances given to the Bulls, through reduced central funding, perhaps a lovely Dutch auction is in prospect? even if you don't think you can win, you could bid low in an effort to cripple the winner for a couple of years.
Quote Kosh="Starbug"the RFL are going to put clubs through a farcial ' fair ' application process to appear open and transparent, absolutely ridiculous
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It seems depressingly possible. WHY?! Why tell a lie nobody is going to believe? Put the Bulls in SL, if that is what is best, but be honest - the alternative isn't even a conspiracy; we can see you!!! FGS.
Quote Kosh="Derwent"IMHO, the most likely outcome will be the Bulls remaining in SL but with a downgrade to a C licence to send a message to the new owner that it puts them in the "at risk" group next time around if he doesn't get their house in order.'"
The message that will send is that the Bulls will never be at risk. Okay, if the go to the wall again in the next 18 months it might be given up as a bad job, but if dieing don't kill you... they haven't, [ufrom what I can gather[/u, been rescued, but revivified. And that's great - the sport would be poorer without them, but giving them a licence like this would undermine everything licensing was meant to stand for.
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"The message that will send is that the Bulls will never be at risk.'"
Downgrading them to a "c" license is a massive punishment. The new owners will be banging the boardroom table at that punishment, along with the massive 6 point penalty they received. And the fans - well - if i know their fans like i think i do then they'll be devastated at these harsh punishments. The shame will be with them for years.
It's a warning to other clubs who dare to risk financial mis-management.
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"
The message that will send is that the Bulls will never be at risk. Okay, if the go to the wall again in the next 18 months it might be given up as a bad job, but if dieing don't kill you... they haven't, [ufrom what I can gather[/u, been rescued, but revivified. And that's great - the sport would be poorer without them, but giving them a licence like this would undermine everything licensing was meant to stand for.'"
I totally agree but its been made clear by people like McManus that the big clubs in SL would like Bradford to remain in SL for purely commercial reasons. Unfortunately in this day and age the commercial aspect will override the moral aspect, which is why I think they will be allowed to retain SL status.
The RFL, on the other hand, have to be seen to do [isomething[/i and if SL status is retained then the only real punishment open to them is a downgrading of licence.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"I think a club should be able to run a full time squad on the money in SL, but there is no system we could put in place a system which stopped some chairmen making stupid decisions.
Wakefield dont get anymore money now from Sky than they did under Ted Richardson, Andrew Glover has simply proved a much better businessman.'"
Is he? Are the Wakey fans paying the full price for their ST s, or is he trying the Bradford/Huddersfield method?
Maybe he as littlerich has pointed out just still got money to put in to cover losses?
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"
The message that will send is that the Bulls will never be at risk. Okay, if the go to the wall again in the next 18 months it might be given up as a bad job, but if dieing don't kill you... they haven't, [ufrom what I can gather[/u, been rescued, but revivified. And that's great - the sport would be poorer without them, but giving them a licence like this would undermine everything licensing was meant to stand for.'"
They are at risk now, as they should be.
The conspiracy theory, which you seem to be falling for, have it all backwards.
It isnt a case of the RFL giving Bradford extra-help, so they get 10k, they have an acceptable if not great stadium, they have a great youth development history, high visibility, big fanbase etc etc, Bradford are getting the help they are getting not to get those things because they have those things.
The only reason people are cynical about Bradford being demoted is because of the quality of competitors to take their place.
If there was a club capable of having what Bradford have now, in the lower leagues, Bradford would be demoted. What saves them is that most clubs in the lower leagues are, right now, totally unsuitable for SL, in the same way Bradford would be unsuitable for the lower leagues. Not better, not worse just different.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Is he? Are the Wakey fans paying the full price for their ST s, or is he trying the Bradford/Huddersfield method?
Maybe he as littlerich has pointed out just still got money to put in to cover losses?'"
What is your evidence for your theory? What proof do you have?
Or is this just cynical speculation that you need to be true to fit with your 'the sky is falling' narrative?
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| Quote Derwent="Derwent"I totally agree but its been made clear by people like McManus that the big clubs in SL would like Bradford to remain in SL for purely commercial reasons. Unfortunately in this day and age the commercial aspect will override the moral aspect, which is why I think they will be allowed to retain SL status.
The RFL, on the other hand, have to be seen to do [isomething[/i and if SL status is retained then the only real punishment open to them is a downgrading of licence.'"
I dont get the need for this 'punishment', what is this symbolic bloodletting actually achieving?
The people who caused bradfords problems are long gone, those responsible arent involved and any punishment of the Bulls now isnt going to be a deterrent to people making those same decisions because they arent the ones who are being punished.
In reality all we are doing is punishing someone who has rescued an RL club for the actions of the people who caused it to be in need of rescue
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Twas always thus and it always will be.
It was the same under P+R
Except it isnt withering is it. More people are going to watch it. Clubs who didnt qualify for the playoffs before are qualifying now, your chicken licken impression is simply nonsense.'"
Sorry I hadnt noticed the huge crowds Salford,Cas,London and Widnes are pulling in, as there are now more play off places than previous, I would expect more clubs to qualify
You are getting mixed up with ' finger lickin Chicken ' , you are Nigel Wood and I claim my 5 quid
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"
. Clubs who didnt qualify for the playoffs before are qualifying now, your chicken licken impression is simply nonsense.'"
The increase in the number of teams that are qualifying to play in the playoffs is due to the increase in the number of playoff places.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"They are at risk now, as they should be.
The only reason people are cynical about Bradford being demoted is because of the quality of competitors to take their place.
If there was a club capable of having what Bradford have now, in the lower leagues, Bradford would be demoted. What saves them is that most clubs in the lower leagues are, right now, totally unsuitable for SL, in the same way Bradford would be unsuitable for the lower leagues. Not better, not worse just different.'"
Either the gross missmanagent that Bradford have committed deserves demotion, or it doesnt, there is as you point out no club in the Championships that can get to anywhere near what Bradford have, you know that, I know that, every single fan at every club knows that, even the Red Hall cat probably knows that, so why do the idiots in charge not know that, and if they do, what in gods name do they expect to find out any differently by having a ' mini licence application ' ?
Once again Mr Wood and Mr Rimmer, grow some balls and do the jobs you are being well paid to do, make a simple decision instead of passing the buck
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Is he? Are the Wakey fans paying the full price for their ST s, or is he trying the Bradford/Huddersfield method?
Maybe he as littlerich has pointed out just still got money to put in to cover losses?'"
Except for the fact that he made clear at a recent fans forum that the club had made a modest operating profit under his stewardship. An inconvenient truth maybe, but the truth nonetheless.
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