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| Quote Jim Jalfrezi="Jim Jalfrezi"As much as I admire Phil Taylor & Co and appreciate their level of skill, let's be honest, darts is a game at any level, not a sport.'"
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| Quote Jim Jalfrezi="Jim Jalfrezi"Many, but without the risk of serious injury and I'm pretty sure that he's hardly had to endure a mega-strict fitness regime like many other 'sportsmen/women'
As much as I admire Phil Taylor & Co and appreciate their level of skill, let's be honest, darts is a game at any level, not a sport.'"
But some of us see football as nothing but a morality draining spectacle and it's participants not worthy of winning such a prestigious award. For me Taylor would deserve it much more than Giggs, Taylor can easily lay claim to being the best darts player in the world if not the best player the world has ever seen.
I personally think Tiger Woods should have won something as he must be the most naturally gifted sportsman in the world, to be as dominant in the world of golf as he has been over the years when he clearly has been practiseing his horizontal gymnastics rather than his golf swing  |
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| Quote Chico="Chico"All I’ll say is that if golf is a sport, and it is acknowledged as such, then so is darts.'"
I completely agree Chico. As much as I absolutely love playing and watching golf, as far as I'm concerned, it too is a game.
Anyway, back on topic, I think Ryan Giggs fully deserved an award such as this.
There are plenty of s in pro football, many of them making huge amounts of money for being no better than average. Giggs isn't one of them. |
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|  Well Done Giggsy. A model pro in every way. Fully deserved. |
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| Quote Jim Jalfrezi="Jim Jalfrezi"
Anyway, back on topic, I think Ryan Giggs fully deserved an award such as this.
There are plenty of s in pro football, many of them making huge amounts of money for being no better than average. Giggs isn't one of them.'"
That is only because fergie the bully wont let him talk to the media unless he wants him too. Regarding taylor, it might not be physical preperation that he does to his game but it sure is mental preperation, something you didnt do when you cost me a fiver in the club when we played darts  |
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| Quote Chris Charles No1 Fan="Chris Charles No1 Fan" you will probably find that a lot of people are bemused because it is supposed to be sportsman of the year, NOT what he has done for the last 20 years.
Tough one this. Whilst I would probably normally agree with you on this I think there needs to be some amount of flexibility. Giggs has year after year excelled in his field. Both Owen and Beckham won SPOTY for far less than Giggs has achieved. Beckham for (admittedly. almost single-handedly) getting England into the 2002 WC and Owen for his impact at the 98 WC and his full debut season.
Just a few stats that Giggsy has racked up during 2009.
100th PL goal
700th PL appearance
11th League title
PFA Player of the Year
Writers Player of the Year
150th club goal
A scorer for the 14th consecutive season in the Champions League (equal with Raul)
The stats above IMO fully justify the award.
Like I said previously, Haye (as much as I like his potential) has won 1 fight in a poor Heavyweight decision. If he unifies the division next year I will vote for him myself!! Button obviously has talent but I do think F1 is decided more on the car than the driver ([size=85[isits back and awaits tongue-lashing from F1 "experts"[/i
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McCoy & Taylor fully deserve the award at some point of their careers too. Taylor is phenonenal and try telling a guy that trains 6/7/8 hours a day that he isn't a sportsman. McCoy ditto. Dominated his sport for well over a decade and only needs to win the Grand National to say he has pretty much done it all.
This is how I see it and, yes, having followed Giggsy's career since he was Ryan Wilson playing for Salford Boys I may have a slight bias towards him.
Anyway, end of essay, I could go on all night and throw stat after stat at you but I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree on this one!!! It's all healthy debate ATEOTD.
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the F1 Champions team should be up for awards not the driver as you said, the car has a lot to do with the outcomes.
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| Quote lukicj="lukicj"the F1 Champions team should be up for awards not the driver as you said, the car has a lot to do with the outcomes.'"
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| Quote lukicj="lukicj"the F1 Champions team should be up for awards not the driver as you said, the car has a lot to do with the outcomes.'"
However, it's not the "BBC Mechanics Team of the Year" award though is it.  |
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Too be honest I don't do Football.....but think after reading this...he is more a lifetime acheivement candidate....
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Well Done Giggsy. A model pro in every way. Fully deserved.
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