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| Quote getdownmonkeyman="getdownmonkeyman"A little history lesson.
Mal Reilly, coached a squad containing modern greats such as: Hanley, Offiah, Gregory, Davies and Edwards. He couldn't get a win against Australia.
He went to Australia and won a GF.
Lesson over.'"
I must have dreamt Melbourne 1992, Wembley 1990, Sydney 1988 etc....
Reillys era was the days of 2-1 defeats to Australia, it wasn't the era of getting smashed out of sight and not even coming close.
Mal Reilly also coached Huddersfield to the wooden spoon in England, as did Tony Smith, and if Reilly was coach of England today, or Wayne Bennett or whoever, they would be presiding over big thrashings at the hands of the Aussies.
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"I must have dreamt Melbourne 1992, Wembley 1990, Sydney 1988 etc....
Reillys era was the days of 2-1 defeats to Australia, it wasn't the era of getting smashed out of sight and not even coming close.
Mal Reilly also coached Huddersfield to the wooden spoon in England, as did Tony Smith, and if Reilly was coach of England today, or Wayne Bennett or whoever, they would be presiding over big thrashings at the hands of the Aussies.'"
My point exactly.
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| it really dont matteer who we have in charge,the standard of rugby which is coached at SL level. Also has a bearing on the international rugby,it could also say it goes all the way down to grass roots.
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| I find it surprising that nobody voiced these opinions about TS to this degree until he became our Head Coach, yes there were grumblings i have to admit but is there a coincidence in this?
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| Quote Hardcore Legend="Hardcore Legend"I find it surprising that nobody voiced these opinions about TS to this degree until he became our Head Coach, yes there were grumblings i have to admit but is there a coincidence in this?'"
I did.
I had the "good fortune" to be in the same hotel as the England squad in Townsville last year.
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| You may joke about Cullen being England coach but im fairly sure he recently was, and oh, he also won a trophy with them IIRC. It's a start.
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| Quote Foz="Foz"You may joke about Cullen being England coach but im fairly sure he recently was, and oh, he also won a trophy with them IIRC. It's a start.'"
quite right we played nz at our place...flippfloppi was full back
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| Smith isn't the coaching guru you lot seem to think he is. His performance with England has been truly terrible. Bobbie Goulding has done a better job in a shorter space of time with the French. They are better organised and more disciplined defensively than we are, which is a farce given the quality of the players they have at their disposal.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Smith isn't the coaching guru you lot seem to think he is. His performance with England has been truly terrible. Bobbie Goulding has done a better job in a shorter space of time with the French. They are better organised and more disciplined defensively than we are, which is a farce given the quality of the players they have at their disposal.'"
But he won the Challenge Cup with Warrington, who were the worst team in the league at the point he took over, and who don't exactly have a long standing pedigree in winning trophies....hence the understandable misconception that he was a coaching guru.
This was perhaps an easier task than winning a few Challenge Cups with the mighty St Helens, as Daniel Anderson did, who promptly won BBC awards and gets hailed by the Saints fans as a 'coaching guru'. It's interesting to look at Anderson's record in international rugby league as coach of New Zealand...which saw him take the Kiwis comfortably down to 3rd place in the pecking order hence him being replaced, whilst his successors promptly delivered the Tri Nations (McLennan) and the World Cup (Kearney).
Even Brian Noble dominated Anderson in the international arena 
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"Even Brian Noble dominated Anderson in the international arena
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 Superb, sally.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Smith isn't the coaching guru you lot seem to think he is. His performance with England has been truly terrible. Bobbie Goulding has done a better job in a shorter space of time with the French. They are better organised and more disciplined defensively than we are, which is a farce given the quality of the players they have at their disposal.'"
Quote Saddened!="sally cinnamon"But he won the Challenge Cup with Warrington, who were the worst team in the league at the point he took over, and who don't exactly have a long standing pedigree in winning trophies....hence the understandable misconception that he was a coaching guru.
This was perhaps an easier task than winning a few Challenge Cups with the mighty St Helens, as Daniel Anderson did, who promptly won BBC awards and gets hailed by the Saints fans as a 'coaching guru'. It's interesting to look at Anderson's record in international rugby league as coach of New Zealand...which saw him take the Kiwis comfortably down to 3rd place in the pecking order hence him being replaced, whilst his successors promptly delivered the Tri Nations (McLennan) and the World Cup (Kearney).
Even Brian Noble dominated Anderson in the international arena
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complete ownage 
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| Nice work Sal.
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