Ok....

We are Joint 12th...or joint last if your glass is half empty and that is unacceptable given the talent that TR has at his disposal.



Regardless of anything else, there seems to be a lack of "togetherness"....if there is a split in the camp, then it is TR's responsibility to sort it out. No player (of faction)is bigger than the club and if a couple of "star" names need some time at Hemel Stags then so be it......

Castleford and Salford at home need to be won to avoid ending up bottom at the end of the year.....Widnes away would be a nice insurance policy....with the squad we have available, these should be the minimum expectation.



The Cup this weekend is a welcome distraction......but the real business is the league table. It's 2008 since we finished in the top 10......that, given the "business decision" of spending every brass cent available on players, is a disgrace....7.5 million of DH's cash and zero, nada, nothing and less than SFA to show for it.

Totally agree. Next season, in theory should be the litmus test for Tony as he would have brought in a couple of newer faces that he chose. Interestingly you approve of Tommy Lee. The only person he had an involvement in recruiting this year.



















Please pay note to Rammo's comment about the squad and depth.



What if we play Widnes with a team depleted of our stars through injury? Will that change your minimum expectation?

I have watched decidedly average London Squads grind out wins with star names missing.....all I am saying is that there needs to be a bit more "us v the world" about the squad...they do seem to crumble once a team get "amongst them" at the moment. First half v Hull and we sounded the better team.......Hull went in first in the 2nd half and that was that.....30 minutes to play and the game was already over.

We're one trick ponies, as been before on this board too predictable with no plan B.

Half seem frightened to tackle and when going forward in attack pull up before contact - what's all that about, the forwards (especially the props) need to watch O'Meleys' try over and over again, when you get a head of steam - keep going, make yourself look big and hit a full ramming speed.

You're not being fair to Bryant, Krasniqi and Dollapi. They have different styles to Kaufusi. Bryant is the best offloader we have which means he's sometimes less interested in breaking tackles and more interested in freeing up the ball; Krasniqi and Dollapi are the best at making metres (about a metre more per hit up) and getting quick PTBs - these styles naturally mean they deliver fewer busts.



And Whitehead plays backrow/centre so any comparison is an odd one.



Now - on to who feels sorry for themselves when the going gets tough: Sarginson and Witt are the worst offenders but the general despondency must be blamed on the team leaders because they allow the youngsters' heads to drop and that is the real crime.

Just seen the video.



Peter Gentle: Run at Gower and Sarginson, lads - one always jumps out of the line and Sarginson hasn't made a tackle since 2011. Oh - and when you get bored of that, there's am immobile prop at right centre. Target him and Witt.



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But worse than that. Look at the body language of that professional rugby league side in blue. How sorry for themselves do they look?

Just watched it as well. Appalling, might as well put tackle backs in their instead, at least the opposition might trip over them.

Love the avatar, mate

Just watched it. Really depressing stuff. No idea how to defend in a line.

I love the avatar too - but you can't kill a zombie club!

Such a poor defensive display especially on the flanks...again. a total of 5 hull tries were due missed takles by either sarginson or grady. Not good enough!