His try scoring record proves nothing at all and certainly doesnt automatically mean he is SL standard. He has played less than 20 SL games and has glaring deficencies and faults in his game. There is no way that anyone can say he is SL standard or not after such a short period of time when he has so many faults in his game.







I agree that there is no way people can say he is better than players like Colbon & Ainscough at SL level. However in my opinion it takes far more than a handful of games to say if someone is SL standard or not. Colbon is a proven SL player and has done a decent, consistent job at Wigan and Hull KR. Ainscough has proved nothing of the sort and shouldnt be in the same bracket as Colbon. Based on comparing the players at academy level I would say that Charnley is better than Ainscough but that doesnt always transfer to SL level.

Let’s not get hung up on the details as in a roundabout way we seem to saying the same thing.



You can’t say Charnley is better than Colbon or Ainscough at the SL level because as you’ve said talent in the academy doesn’t always transfer through.

That quote could just as easily apply to Karl Pryce. However, as DaveO says, KP has been has given an extended run to make his case, Ainscough hasn't (yet).



Getting back on topic, though, and I think the Charnley loan is an excellent move for him, as it has been for so many of our other youngsters. Hope he plays tomorrow (it's on SKY) - most people won't have seen anything of him yet. He really is an excellent prospect.

He's played 18 SL games and scored 17 tries over the last two seasons.



He is clearly SL standard. His game is not perfect but then neither are the games of plenty of other players who play SL every week.



Dave

He certainly showed a lot of potential in the few appearances he made at Blackpool, knows his way to the line and defensively was very strong, however super league being a much higher level, not sure how he'll go, good luck to the lad big chance to prove himself.

I am sorry he is not clearly SL standard at all and it is very much up in the air if he is or not. You are basing your entire argument on tries scored, which is a very flawed argument as the vast amount of tries that a winger scores any winger could score. In any other aspect of his game he has been found wanting, not just at Wigan but at Castleford and even Widnes fans have criticised his defence in NL1.



If he was rated by Maguire then I am sure he would have got more than 1 game this season. The mere fact that Goulding, a centre, has been picked on the wing before him for vast chunks of the season, speaks volumes. Even Pryce got an extended run in the side to see what he could do. If Ainscough is so clearly SL standard then he would have played more than 1 SL game this season before getting dropped. Castleford would have also taken him back, as was originally meant to be a season long deal, and they were still short of players. Players that are rated by other SL clubs can always get loan deals at SL clubs, as previous players have shown but it seems that only NL1 clubs wanted Ainscough. Indeed why do Hull KR want Charnley, an unproven SL player, instead of Ainscough? Surely the mere fact that many people think that Ainscough has not really proven anything, has not shown himself yet to be SL standard (not just on this thread but others) means that he is not clearly anything?

Hope he goes well for us, we definetly need someone who'll do a good job. Would have prefered Marsh if that was possible though

DaveO & thepriestman85, how many times have you seen Charnley play?

I would have preferred Carmont but never mind





It looks like opinion is split on the kid, I'd be surprised to see him feature this week with such a short turnaround. A debut in the Hull derby though? What a baptism that would be.

The majority who are anti have probably never even seen him play.



Ask any of the regular academy team watchers on here for a more accurate assessment.

The kid is a very good player, and one who I have mentioned many times in the last two years as one to watch.

Does he play on the left or right naturally?

I can defiantly see how this is going….



Not that it matters at all in any way shape or form but I’ve seen him play about 5 times.



Here are some questions for you;



How many times have you seen him play in SL? What are his SL stats like when you compare them to Colbon’s?



How many SL tries has he scored? How many SL tackles has he broken? What’s his positional play like at SL level when he’s got guys like Dobson who can land a ball on a 50p? His positional play at academy level is fantastic but is it going to be exploited by international wingers like King or Donald? What’s his defence like against fully fledged MEN like Hall or King? How does his fitness and strength stand up to the SL level? What’s his mental toughness like when he’s been outplayed by some quality players?



We can all guess at these answers BUT until he actually plays some SL rugby you can’t compare the two. At this moment in time there is a massive difference in someone like Colbon who has played in big games & proven himself against great players and Charnley who hasn’t played any SL rugby.



Surly you can see how daft your statement was?



Oh and don’t try and turn this into an anti Charnley rant as no one is saying he doesn’t have the potential to be a class winger but there is a massive difference in having potential and converting it into actual results.