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| Ali Lautiti is the most successful import in the SL era but that doesnt make him the [uBEST[/u import in the SL era.
Thats like saying because Leeds won SL last year that Brent Webb is a better full back than Sam Tomkins which he clearly isnt.
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"[uTA has proven without doubt who the stupid one is.[/u you would swear black is White if it doesn't fit your agenda.'"
No arguments here. In fact, he does it with every post.
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| Quote Wandering Warrior="Wandering Warrior"Ali Lautiti is the most successful import in the SL era but that doesnt make him the [uBEST[/u import in the SL era.
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Can't have been many better. A few like Lyon and Barrett were outstanding for a couple of years, Lautiti has been one of the most exciting skillful and best overseas players in the comp for the best part of 8 seasons. I know wilko keeps going on about how many GFs he's won but for me you only have to have seen the guy play over the last decade to see how good he is, the winners rings are just the cherry on the cake.
As far as the Luaki signing goes. I'm not really sure what Wane sees in him. Seems a fatter, poorer version of Feka with less ability.
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| Quote Wandering Warrior="Wandering Warrior"Ali Lautiti is the most successful import in the SL era but that doesnt make him the [uBEST[/u import in the SL era.
Thats like saying because Leeds won SL last year that Brent Webb is a better full back than Sam Tomkins which he clearly isnt.'"

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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"That was an odd thing to be brought up doing. Doing your best is what losers do, winners win.'"
Winners win? What an insightful comment.
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"A bit of an also ran wouldnt be in a dominant side for that long. Either way it is certainly more of an acheivement than not winning anything (Garry Schofield) or not being paid very much (George Carmont) which are your two examples of success.'"
You would clearly rather have Bibey's career than Schofield's.
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"If I were Garry Schofield I would. Being a very good player who won nothing sounds pretty much like a failure in my book. But no, success isnt shorthand for winning or achieving your goals, winning and achieving your goals actually defines success. In sport success is winning and your goals are to win trophies/medals/rings etc. If your goals arent to win trophies/medals/rings etc but to benefit yourself, to leave your legacy, so that you are remembered as a good player you end up with.....well.......Garry Schofield, a supremely talented player whose lack of dedication and commitment left him ultimately unsuccessful.'"
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| Quote jinkin jimmy="jinkin jimmy"No arguments here. In fact, he does it with every post.'"

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| what does ali have to do with wigan signing lauaki? well i hope he is another paul deacon just floating around at an average club then lives up to hes potential with us.
As far as big fat gary hes ruined any respect he gained on the field by talking off it. he should be the one driving a taxi around for a living.
ali was a very good player at the beging i remember him at the jjb holding the ball in hes one hand and looked impossible to stop but over the years he has fade away at leeds i dont really think he has contributed alot over the last 3 seasons and you can add brent webb to that.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"That was an odd thing to be brought up doing. Doing your best is what losers do.'"
The Cub Scout Promise:
I promise that I will do my best
To do my duty to God and to the Queen
To help other people
And to keep the Cub Scout Law.
The Cub Scout Law:
Cub Scouts always do their best
Think of others before themselves
And do a good turn every day.
Perhaps times have changed, but it's hardly an odd thing to be brought up doing.... 
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| Quote Wandering Warrior="Wandering Warrior"Ali Lautiti is the most successful import in the SL era but that doesnt make him the [uBEST[/u import in the SL era.
Thats like saying because Leeds won SL last year that Brent Webb is a better full back than Sam Tomkins which he clearly isnt.'"
Correct sir
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| Quote Deano G="Deano G"The Cub Scout Promise:
I promise that I will do my best
To do my duty to God and to the Queen
To help other people
And to keep the Cub Scout Law.
The Cub Scout Law:
Cub Scouts always do their best
Think of others before themselves
And do a good turn every day.
Perhaps times have changed, but it's hardly an odd thing to be brought up doing....
'" Wow. That really backs up your point. Nobody would describe you as a loser now you have brought up the cub scout promise on an internet message board.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Wow. That really backs up your point. Nobody would describe you as a loser now you have brought up the cub scout promise on an internet message board.'"
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
[u You[/u said it was odd to be brought up to do your best. I've provided evidence that it isn't.
I could have quoted Abraham Lincoln, who is about as serious and important an adult figure as you can get. He famously said:
“I do the very best I know how, the very best I can, and I mean to keep on doing so until the end”
However since you thought it odd to be brought up to do your best it seemed more appropriate to quote a promise which has been and continues to be sworn by millions of children (including me many years ago) in this country and elsewhere.
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| Quote Deano G="Deano G"Are you being deliberately obtuse?
[uYou[/u said it was odd to be brought up to do your best. I've provided evidence that it isn't.'" No i didnt. I said this was an odd way to be brought up Quote Deano G="Deano G"Not sure what my own personal goals have to do with the debate (
), but I don't play to win or for accolades either, for that matter. I was brought up to do my best and without coming over like some oriental cod-philosopher the struggle is with yourself, the goal isn't to defeat others but to make sure you do and are the best that you can be. So there you go!.'"
I.e your idea that doing your best was more important than winning, and of course the idea of you being needed early-life education on avoiding coming over like an oriental cod-philospher the hypocrisy of you then going on to give us quotes from the boy scouts and Abraham Lincoln to prove your idea of trying rather than winning being the most important was just the icing on the cake.
Quote Deano GI could have quoted Abraham Lincoln, who is about as serious and important an adult figure as you can get. He famously said:
“I do the very best I know how, the very best I can, and I mean to keep on doing so until the end”
However since you thought it odd to be brought up to do your best it seemed more appropriate to quote a promise which has been and continues to be sworn by millions of children (including me many years ago) in this country and elsewhere.'" If thats how you want to define yourself, feel free. You carry on cheering samikins trying his best and George Carmont not earning very much and Ill carry on cheering Sinfield lifting trophies.
A few more quotes for you my fishy little thinker,
"There is no relief at it being over. There is the joy of winning it." Stefi Graf
"Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will all be judged by only one thing - the result."
Vince Lombardi
If winning isnt so important, why spend all that money on scoreboards?
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