Myler is better than brown we could have has myler and robinson at halfs with sam at fb



Another selection is gleeson and drop atkins the guy is cack he's **** it ever game

Well i'll hold my hands up i thought he was a very good player (widdop) i suppose we got blinded by the fact we played france and not any real opposition



Putting big mac in the coaching roll wasn't going to be anything other than dumb look what the guy did to bradford not being funny but they didn't have a rubbish squad did they mabye he lost the dressing room or his skills wasn't good enough i do know one thing the guy is clueless

Widdop is an excellent, player!



He will be in the England set up for a long long time to come, the notion that he plays 1 poor game and he becomes a poor player is laughable!



Widdop needs a settled position which he will get next year in the halves probably at the Storm and will go on to be in my opinion one of the leading lights in the British game.



Were he playing to the standard he is not in SL he would be a top quality first team regular.

He was poor against both kiwi teams i'm not saying he's totally **** but he wasn't good



The main problem with him is he's not going to get game time unless slater gets injured or he moves clubs it's all good saying oh he plays in aus but the fact remains he doesn't really does he?



If he wants to get better and be one of the best he should move to a club where he will play week in week out

He will play in the halves next year for the Storm.

Possibly, but Myler was struggling to get into the Warrington team at the end of the season- and better than Brown - close call for me, both are well behind Tomkins,Eastmond and McGuire. Losing both McGuire and Eastmond upset a few plans I think.



Is Gleeson even available I thought he had retired from international rugby (coud be wrong though) but I agree about Atkins - not a player I rate highly (looks good when Warrington are on top but prone to mistakes).

Atkins is going same way as senior when the team he's playing in gets on top he wants to know but if the other team gets a roll on he goes hiding



I agree eastmond with sam looked good against the aussies over here and we need to get that together but the lad is to injury prone (or imo saints are bringing him back too soon)

It depends on the coaches' strategy though surely. What if the selectors pick a light, mobile pack when he wanted a big pack of houses?

I dont think selectors are the answer this wasn't a case of McNamara picking the wrong team it was a case of the right team not being available. We have many injuries and we mustn't forget that theres a 9 in 10 chance the Aussies and Kiwis would beat us anyway even at full strength so with a side suffering through lack of fit first choice players i think they did ok.



The issue was not the coach in any way it was the way the players were making a lot of mistakes they just dont make in SL games.

Selections aren't really the main problem, not by a long way. Obviously there have been some selection errors for this tour, Cudjoe over Gleeson sticks out for me. The major and most alarming problem is the strength in depth. Eastmond, Bridge, McGuire, Peacock, Morley, Shenton get injured and there isnt a player in the same class to replace them. With no injuries we can put together a 17 that would more than likely have been more competitive. The Aussies, however, have probably got a pool of players large enough to put together 4 or 5 international standard squads, we have barely got enough for one.



Hoepfully Gareth Widdop will get a full season playing 6 for Storm next year because the guy does look class, I think a Widdop/Eastmond halfback partnership with Sam at FB would be very exciting.



The issue of mistakes is another one. As much as players talk down nerves and being over awed by playing against Australia and New Zealand it clearly is still a big issue as the players made far more basic errors that they rarely do at SL level. This is venturing in to the area of sports psychology, I dont know if one is employed by England and is on the tour with them but its definitely something that needs looking more closely at in the future.



We just need the RFL to promote the game better, with the help of Sky and the BBC, and get more kids playing this game, then get the training and coaching standards up to the same level as the southern hemisphere and we'll be reet! Easier said than done though im afraid!

This wouldn't work IMHO.



It won't make us any better or any worse, simply because it'll still be the same players, maybe with the occasional spanner thrown in the works.

However, I think the RFL need to look at the coaching set-up for England, ie. the backroom staff structure.

Your singling out Widdop, I think he has had a fairly solid tour, 1 dropped bomb and he's crap is he? And what exactley has Tomkins done this tournament? Very ordinary IMO, he as had a few mistakes in is game also and he's not the only one, the team overall have been very poor, they play without structure and play off the cuff football. I think Widdop will be around for a while, I don't know what you expected from him when no one else aimed up IMO. I would say Robinson was our best back though.