Mossop was outstanding yesterday.



Nevermind a great prospect, he's a very good player already.

You've assumed Harrison played more game time?

What have you based this on?



Harrison is regularly spelled.



You mention how you think Harrison compares with mossops stats with an adjustment factor of 'game time ' played which you have just assumed.



Then state stats mean very little?!



Odd post. Not a cohesive argument.

It was an argument against Wire fans using stats to say Harrison was better than Mossop. I pointed out that stats show there wasn't much between them anyway, hence you can't gauge much from them.



I've based Harrison playing more game time purely on the basis that back row forwards generally get more game time than props as most teams tend to rotate 4 props with 2 on the bench while having one back row forward on the bench covering the back row and loose forward.



It was simply guesswork, just to suggest that stats don't give the full story because they don't include minutes played.

So you based most of your post on guesswork..... why are people even bothering comparing two players in different positions... compare Mossop to Paul Wood, who may be battling each other for a 4 nations spot if Mcbanana doesn't keep picking Peacock on reputation.

woody beats him on everything but errors, which is down to how we play the game compared to yourselves.

It wasn't the main point I was trying to make, that's why. My point was that stats aren't accurate. I was just pointing out that those who did care about what the stats said would see that there wasn't much difference anyway. It's not unreasonable to assume that a back row plays more game time than a prop.



If it was that confusing I apologise. Stats need context and lots of it, that would be my main point.

Paul Wood will never play international rugby league

I've always thought Paul Wood was one of the most overrated props in the league and remains so, but his error count will always prevent him being considered for England.



Metres stats in particular are always difficult to assess for props, as effectiveness in the collision is often more crucial. In terms of our clubs for example, Jeff Lima is regularly criticised by opposition fans for being dominated in the collision, but has better metres per carry (7.12) than the likes of Wood (7.10) and Prescott (7.0) who seem to more regularly win the collision - obviously some cheap metres are being made somewhere (i.e, kick returns, etc). In this context, on observation Mossop's main advantage over the aforementioned is that he wins the collision nearly every time and gets a quick play the ball. Therefore whilst his work rate and total metres is lower giving a slightly underwhelming appearance, with his average per carry (7.33) and general output (aside for less offloads and better discipline) more comparable to the likes of Carvell, it is difficult to find a statistical measure that distinguishes actual impact of a prop. People seem to rely on the narrow stats provided as gospel to justify a good player, for example James Graham is lauded too highly for his individual impact based on total metres alone, whereas it is actually his tremendous workrate and durability in terms of carries that marks him out as special rather than the actual quality of individual drives in the game (average per carry only 7.0icon_cool.gif.



Overall Wigan have three props (Mossop, Lima and Prescott) with surprisingly similar stats, but differing in actual performance and impact. Coley on the other hand appears to be in decline from an attacking perspective, but has measurables like aggression and strength in the tackle that arent attributed.

And another thread ends up as a dick measuring contest between Wigan and Wire....

Who won?

Me

All bow down before the best dick-measurer on the board