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The no VAT on "memberships" is a little worrying. Didn't Ken Bates try this with LUFC season tickets and get his fingers burned? Or am I wrong about this?
In any event, a little concerned that we might found ourselves with a big (unpaid) VAT bill at some point in the future
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| Quote Khlav Kalash="Khlav Kalash"A lot of things in life is based on confidence. Business more so. Rightly or wrongly winding up petitions/orders damage people's confidence in a business. Seeds of doubt have been planted by last weeks news, and with this clubs history that is understandable. Hopefully the club can put it behind them and regain the confidence some supporters have lost in it.'"
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Thinking about it logically one would’ve thought the no VAT on memberships will have been discussed as part of the monthly meetings with HMRC, it’s not as if it’s been done on the sly. Having said that the club still ended up with a Winding up petition despite having monthly meetings with the taxman.
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| Quote Methley Mole="Methley Mole":5lg56evhI think that this issue is down to incompetence and certain individuals at the Club being "out of their depth". Nobody has done this on purpose, somebody has just dropped a monumental testicle due to being incompetent in their role and in the application of their responsibilities. I believe that the hearts of the people involved in the management of the Club, are in the right place and always will be, however, the facts speak for themselves.
If this would have happened in any other form of business, someone would be dismissed or asked to resign. Andrew Glover is far from being a mug, what he has done is leave the day to day running of a business, in the hands of someone out of their depth. He has trusted certain individuals with being competent in their roles, when obviously they are not and unfortunately, never will be. The job is too big and the stakes are too high to carry on like this any more, we need an injection of experienced people who know how to run a Club/Business, professionally , from top to bottom.'" Only 4 posts and ripping into the club, asking for people to be sacked, are you some one who is bitter with the club, some one who is after the guys job, or just some one with a point to prove or other..??  |
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| Quote Methley Mole="Methley Mole"I think that this issue is down to incompetence and certain individuals at the Club being "out of their depth". Nobody has done this on purpose, somebody has just dropped a monumental testicle due to being incompetent in their role and in the application of their responsibilities. I believe that the hearts of the people involved in the management of the Club, are in the right place and always will be, however, the facts speak for themselves.
If this would have happened in any other form of business, someone would be dismissed or asked to resign. Andrew Glover is far from being a mug, what he has done is leave the day to day running of a business, in the hands of someone out of their depth. He has trusted certain individuals with being competent in their roles, when obviously they are not and unfortunately, never will be. The job is too big and the stakes are too high to carry on like this any more, we need an injection of experienced people who know how to run a Club/Business, professionally , from top to bottom.'"
You don't sack someone for making a mistake, especially when it is instantly corrected.
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| Quote pocket 4's="pocket 4's"are you in the know or have you come to this conclusion just from the fact that there has been an issue with HMRC?'"
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| Quote kinleycat="kinleycat"VAT on season tickets, not on memberships as I seem to recall.
I am a gold member.
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| Quote wildycat="wildycat"This is not the old club it is a new club a new owner, It is a blip a mistake the club (new one) as put it behind them and so as the majority of the fans, just the odd few that feed on doom and gloom that can not let go of the past, put it behind you move on go on just give it a try...
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Not the point, the club is at fault and any speculation is caused by a lack of clear info.
Some of the blind comments remind me of the bad old days when people dared to question the old regime.
We have a right, we have a duty to ask questions, and until we are top of the league and challenge cup holders I shall continue to do so.
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I've been away for a few days and it looks like the brown stuff has been hitting the fan ?
Having read through the many pages of this thread is is astonishing that the club can allow a winding up order to be issued from HMRC, when it seems clear that they have neccessarily been on "best behaviour" since the new regime took over.
It has been clear for all to see that since Mr Glover took over the club appears to have improved in all areas, improved attendances, improved facilities record s/t sales for this point in the calender etc.
BUT, how can they allow themselves to be issued a winding up petitiion by HMRC.
These things are not thrown around like confetti or, drop on your doormat like pizza menus.
Usually there would be a reminder/ threat prior to any action and although it is obvious relief to all that the situation has been resolved, HOW could this happen ?
Most people that post on here have bought season tickets and are members of the 1873 club and buy merchandise and generally support the club in any we can and with the difficulties of the past couple of years there really should be some clearer comment from the club and firm assurnnces from Mr Glover that we are not in any way struggling as a club.
If there are indeed monthly meetings with HMRC then, it seems impossible that something like this could happen.
As some have already said, it is quite right to question the situation, especially with the present state of other clubs and with our own recent past.
For a simple guy like me, it still seems od that this was just an admin error.
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Loving the thread on the mentalist forum, with bigalf in the role of lead investigator - CSI Cas, priceless!
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"I've been away for a few days and it looks like the brown stuff has been hitting the fan ?
Having read through the many pages of this thread is is astonishing that the club can allow a winding up order to be issued from HMRC, when it seems clear that they have neccessarily been on "best behaviour" since the new regime took over.
It has been clear for all to see that since Mr Glover took over the club appears to have improved in all areas, improved attendances, improved facilities record s/t sales for this point in the calender etc.
BUT, how can they allow themselves to be issued a winding up petitiion by HMRC.
These things are not thrown around like confetti or, drop on your doormat like pizza menus.
Usually there would be a reminder/ threat prior to any action and although it is obvious relief to all that the situation has been resolved, HOW could this happen ?
Most people that post on here have bought season tickets and are members of the 1873 club and buy merchandise and generally support the club in any we can and with the difficulties of the past couple of years there really should be some clearer comment from the club and firm assurnnces from Mr Glover that we are not in any way struggling as a club.
If there are indeed monthly meetings with HMRC then, it seems impossible that something like this could happen.
As some have already said, it is quite right to question the situation, especially with the present state of other clubs and with our own recent past.
For a simple guy like me, it still seems od that this was just an admin error.'"
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