Truly pathetic.

7 games that mean nothing now. This is this season and we have 25 rounds of SL to go. No matter how much people moan on here I doubt anything will change. Carter things Agar is a good coach and I agree - just get behind the lads.

Again from me..

... we all know what has happened over the 2 previous seasons...2 years ago we won the last 8 games (I believe ??) and last year we did the opposite....ups and downs (as is the norm with us !!), but I firmly believe we need to give the PLAYERS the opportunity to show Agar (and us) what they can do.

Believe me, I am as frustrated as you are, but we are all on board the Wildcats rollercoaster together, and now is not the time to throw the driver out !!

Don't get your Kear comments, he's no dinosaur and frankly still has more coaching ability in his left toe than most SL coaches. John Kears simply had enough and who can blame him.



As for the rest of your comments fair enough. However I used the word gut feeling, and my gut feeling says disaster this season if we don't act soon - and by that I don't mean it has to be Agars head, though I fail to see any other way.



To me this feels just like 2006 and I don't think the club could survive another one of those.

Come on Vasty. You started a really good thread but then started getting stroppy with the people who have different opinion.



Personally I don't agree with you.

I think Agar has done a decent job considering where the club has been.



Of course we are all upset about the Bradford game but for every one of those games that was disappointing we have had some great games under Agar. The run to the playoffs was indeed because of Bradford's points deduction but that doesn't mean we didn't do well to get to 9th and put ourselves in that position. Hull KR didn't do it. Neither did Cas.

Equally last year, we had a good chance of doing the same with the two games against Leeds being s close to getting us there. The players put a massive effort in but it wasn't just them, just the same as the loss is not just the players fault.



One of the credits I give Agar is that the players always talk highly of him. Even those that leave don't slag him off. Even John Kear for whom I have I have the greatest respect, was slagged off by some of the players.

When you say the team isn't his team, I only see that caused by the change in the team rather than their bond with him.



Personally, as said above I think this is too early to call.

Morrison is a very good choice as a future Wakefield coach. I'd probably pick him over many others in the game right now. I thought if Kear had kept his job that Morrison would some day take over. But if we did get him, he would I think aim to build a club like Agar is trying to do rather than win some short term games.



So I'd rather keep him and see how things go. There is a long way to go in this season and personally I think Castleford, Hull KR, Widnes all think a bit too much of themselves and that we and Bradford could easily place above them by the end of the season.

We shall see.

so easy.

I'm not frustrate. Teams, coaches and players have a shelf life and I happen to feel Agar has given as much as he is capable of giving. Not his fault and had this not been a P&R season I 'd stick with him, because given time I suspect he could put a good team together.



But we don't have time any more and it's dog eat dog survival now. There is no place for long term thinking now, it's do or die and if you think otherwise you are deluding yourself. I think far to many folk on here either don't know what P&R is like or they have forgotten. It takes a certain type of player and a certain kind of team to pull it off - and I don't think we have either at present.



Unfortunately for Agar the only way the players will be knocked out of there stupor and realise what they are facing is a new Coach. I watched Andy Raleigh play on Thursday - he is a player I admire greatly - yet he was wandering about the park like a lost pensioner - he is a senior player and even he doesn't seem to get the idea. We need 100% commitment and that morel spirit and we need it soon.



Prove me rong Mr Agar and I will be the happiest man around, but unfortunately like it or not the P&R clock is ticking.

You can't just pick out a losing streak as evidence that Agar is not up to it

SLXVII - 13 wins in 27 = 48%

SLXVIII - 10 wins in 27 = 37%

Not the same as 1 out of 7.



I'd like better of course this year but it's going to be a slow start with so many new players.

I don't agree; the modern game got away from him and the brand of rugby we played towards the end of his tenure was, quite frankly, turgid.

Jesus wept I'm not being stroppy as regards their opinion just that they didn't read the post. I'd understand it if I'd put "Sack Agar he's crap" but I didn't did I!

True but then if you remember he had no money, no players and no time to prepare - so Agar gives you exactly the same for exactly the same reasons and he's ok, interesting

I think that was probably the most fair OP I've read for a while to be honest - especially from Vasty who I think at times can interpret things how he wants rather than how is intended (no offence mate)



I'm gonna go out there and say it, but I think you've been told you're struggling that often that you believe it too religiously.



I'd say this is the best squad RA has had at his disposal - and for that reason my opinion is that he shouldn't be sacked based on previous season's form.



I think that the tub should be emptied as far as Ra is concerned this season - as it has been throughout the rest of the club.



2 games in with a newly bonding squad, you would have to start from scratch all over again.



Would it be a bigger disaster to stick by his last month's work, or to throw that all away for something fresh?



To me, the worst case scenario is you pay Agar off - bring in (for example) Morrison, and still only be on 4 points after 10 games.



There's no rosy solution, so I would stand by what RA is in the process of doing to build this squad as a unit