Correct, this game is simply a banker for Hudds - always has been always will be. I know we freaked the odd win but generally it's a training run for them.



They could send their office staff coached by the groundsman and they would still have to much pride and guile for us - worse still is that scenario also applied for better teams than we currently have!

You're spot on with Miller. I said it last season when a rumoured new deal was on the cards he be okay for the championship but if we stayed in SL we needed better.



Personally think he'd be better in the three quarters or at full back as he running game was excellent for a brief period when Smith initially took over. As it currently stands we're back to playing with just one half who isn't a patch on the one we had last year (despite the flaws in his games).



We need that extra quality Chester was referring to but I'm not entirely sure where that's going to come from.

I know there is a tendency on here to look for a scapegoat but I agree with Vasty. The buck stops with Miller.

We did take on the line once at Hull but otherwise a it was a shambles. I sat in the directors box with FC friends and amazingly, they thought our half backs outplayed theirs so perspective is weird sometimes.

Give Jowitt a run at fullback and give Hall a run at 6. It just could not be any less effective. We spent some good minutes in the FC 20 but did not have an idea in the bank.

Finn finds himself in space often, and although he hasn't the pace, a good 6 would be there to finish.

Would rather have Miller in team than Finn any day. Finn is stranded a lot because he has no speed, therefore not fast enough to get to a point on the field to work a move . Met a few ex rugby players who say Finn as been a good player in the lower league but to old and slow for s league.I would try Scott Moore in the half's do not think we would be any worse off. The halfback's have been a problem since D Brough left that no coach since has been able to work out.

How do you think we feel, we have to live with that feeling every game for over a year and counting.

good luck on friday if we defend like we did against catalans ull beat us where shocking this season atleast ur team probs try n put in effort

Funny that because I have never heard anyone connected with the game who would take Miller over Finn, though I concede a few agree with you on Finn ability whilst others don't. What is a red herring is Finns pace, he's never had any but he could work a move at Cas and was more than capable when playing for Fev to be the best H/B on the park when playing Cas and Wigan in the CCup.



Sorry but Millers your problem IMHO and he has shed loads of pace so you've kind of contradicted yourself on that one.

Shedloads of pace, but absolutely no rugby brain whatsoever; he reminds me of Sammutt - speed, agility, plenty of bottle and the ability to occasionally pull off a bizarre solo effort that pays off, but no sense of what's going on around him, amongst his own players or the opposition.

I find it quite amusing that certain people on here are giving their expert opinions on Miller and Finn, the very same people who were almost nauseous in their fawning over Brian Smith, yet apparently he couldn't see all their weaknesses and was quite happy to have them as his first choice half backs so we were led to believe?! I'm pretty sure Smith said Finn would allow Miller to show off all his natural ability to the full, which hasn't really happened has it, am I right in saying Miller hasn't scored a try yet this season, but was scoring them for fun from half way through last season? All a bit strange, maybe Smith wasn't the coaching legend we were told he was by those on here.....

A deal was done with Tim Smith to keep him at BV for 2016 season, I understand that MC put in a great deal of work to get that deal done. Then Tim Smith lets the club and himself down, MC makes the tough call and sacks him at a time of year when all the deals / players have been signed up, we are then left scrapping the bottom of the barrel and end up with Finn and Miller. So in many ways MC was well aware that we needed some quality in the squad and Tim Smith would have ticked that box.

Tim Smith, that model of consistency eh?! We had such a good season with him last season didn't we, not. Don't get me wrong, he had his good days, but they were few and far between, playing well once in every 8 or 9 games isn't good enough.

Well it would do for me at the moment