The first part of that sentence makes the rest irrelevant I'm afraid.

No it doesn't actually. I fully accept that we were as bad as you say. The point is what else do you expect. If you don't think that after the loss of Brough and for me Newton we are not going to be an up and down side you're in for a long season. We are an outside bet who with a bit of luck could trouble the tables, but we will put in some shockers this year. That said the shocker against Hudds was not one we could take for many reasons, this one I won't lose a minutes sleep over.

These games are nothing to do with sliding defences and everything to do with who wants it. Cas could easily win it but that won't make them as good a team as Warrington or Hudds in the same way that both of us beating Leeds doesn't make us champions.

Fair enough - and we'll get back on the horse at some point (and so will I), but it genuinely was an awful preformance - across the park - and you would feel more strongly about it if you'd been (although I appreciate that you have less of an 'emotional' tendency than I do - for better or worse).



I stood with a group of 'grumpy old men' last night and there wasn't a lot good to say. I also stood with my missus, who was so tired out she could barely stand for the whole game - and for what? It certainly bore no resemblance to entertainment!

Its quite interesting that posters on here who didn't go to the game seem to know more about the game than those who went and didn't find the performance "shocking" as some of us who went. I think I know whose opinions on Friday's game are worth listening to.



Also it was me who said that Cas would beat us next Friday if we did not fix the problem we have with the sliding defence and our right hand side. I stand by that comment but we could all stick our heads up our backsides and pretend that we don't have any problems and see what happens.



This is a Forum where we can have our own opinions. You do not have to agree with those opinions as I often don't with other posters but I respect their right to express those opinions.



There are some on here who seem to think they know more than others on here. Maybe they do but we don't need them ramming it down everyone throats all the time - thats just plain arrogant.

Your a Trinity fan you should be used to that by now - I think the relative success of the JK years have given us unrealistic expectations at time. Since when was a trip to an in form Wire ever likely to be enjoyable - think of it this way, we have done it to them enough times so fairs fair

Fair comment - but I did not go expecting a result - I went expecting some kind of SL standard performance - and did not get it. It really was THAT bad!



If we're honest about these things, look at who's getting the MOM votes. That player is debated often on here, and he deserves all the credit for taking the game to Wire, but if ANY of the other players had played well and stood out then he wouldn't be there, would he? If he's your best player, that means the rest of them are poorer, and that does not make a SL standard performance I'm afraid.

Hold on a second, who's being arrogant here me or you.



No one certainly not me has denied that we were as bad as some posters suggest. What I was pointing out is that perhaps we need to accept all things considered we will have these blips without thinking it's the end of the world.



As for the Cas bit, it's another game. This team beat Leeds, it got slaughtered by Hudds. Cas are neither of these, they would have to improve 1000% in my opinion to do to us what Warrington clearly did. Maybe it's me I just don't get the connection.



Anyway if it suits I will no longer comment on games I didn't attend, or question the opinions of those who are clearly beyond reproach if that's what it takes to keep the peace.

I know for a fact that over the past couple of weeks JK has put in enough hours in diplomacy and negotiations to solve the Middle East peace process. Getting Cooke in to the club and sorting out Brough to Huddersfield has been a very difficult process.



I said to a friend of mine that we looked like a team of 17 players put together without a coach. Maybe all the other matters have taken the focus away from the everyday things that need to be done. I am just hoping we can now focus on a better TEAM performace next week and sorting out the obvious weaknesess that many of our players displayed last night.



Last but not least, if you weren't there please try and accept the comments from those at the game. They summed it up spot on in my opinion.

Having not missed a game home or away this year i cant help but feel a bit more qualified than some on here, and truly it was a garbage performance compared to every game apart from huddersfield.



Once again our right side defence was like a revolving gate, sam obst kicking game was lamentable



we did give plenty of effort and there were some good performances but we were awful

i hear what you are saying and although me no go on friday i did go the the hudds game and the hunslet pre season and still did not really bat an eyelid, i respect your opinion and the fact that along with a couple of others you dont tend to knee jerk but for gawds sake no brough no bj struggling for experienced props 3 new players to gel in to the team .



My opinion is that i disagree with yours on this occasion be pretty weird if we always agreed about all in fact it would be like that little cult over at Huddersfield. just because i might not of gone doesn't stop me having opinions either

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warrington like huddersfield are a class act this term and we perhaps had to play ugly rugby for damage limitation. im sure against the giners we will do fine

come on phil where in the AUP or Mods charter does it state one must attend to hold an opinion , you know the score i would of gone but was medication day (Nurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrse

) . I go to academy , 2nd team matches home and away when ever poss as well as many SL matches .



Maybe you are tiered and maybe you have had a bad week but what about the squad and their week and all for what to get boooooed and slated . preseason i had this down as a loss pre friday i had us down for a loss.



did the atkins tries really hurt that much? if so its a shame no body attends the squad builder nights