It's all Agar's fault - that Gaza Strip, Iran, the troubles in N Ireland starting again.



So the way they play is nothing to do with Agar when they play well but only when they play badly?

Can I ask how you play 'off the cuff', with structure??

Thormans worse, he costs us more that he gains us by a country mile

no i disagree, Peter Stirling

I think what he's saying is, they looked decent when they played off the cuff, meaning they do have some attacking ability. If this ability was harnessed into some sort of decent structure, we'd look much better.

There is no structure, hence they are playing off the cuff

Controversial but i can see where youre coming from.



Thought we looked better balanced with Thorman playing 6 rather than 7 which he seemed more natural doing too.

I wouldnt say we need to play off the cuff its just that barring Berrigan we play too much lateral rugby and we tend to only have 1 option for the pivot to pass to, which is down to the poor attacking structures we have in place on the flanks. I personally think alot of that is down to having a 3rd prop at 13 as they tend to be the main decoy runner for most sides.

Ok that makes much more sense, i read it as 'we have no structure when playing off the cuff'. Having listened to Lee Richardsons wise words before I believed it might have been a quote straight from the horses mouth.

No.....there have been worse. The 'Sharks' era produced some real 'anti-heros' wearing the famous Black, White and 'Teal' (ffs). It was a bad, bad time for Hull FC!

I said it was what lee had said

No one said we need to play off the cuff. Lee Richie said we look like we are a decent side when we do play off teh cuff but this is never translated into more structured attacking play