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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"The RFL think it's a blueprint...
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And they're never wrong!
Tbf, Hull FC do seem to have a genuine and renewed focus in this area that should start to pay dividends within a handful of years. Despite the endorsement of the RFL.
Edit - Biggs will need a bit of time to adjust, but i'd think roughly a couple of months and he'll be up to speed. The issue is more if you don't get him until mid-May.
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"And they're never wrong!
Tbf, Hull FC do seem to have a genuine and renewed focus in this area that should start to pay dividends within a handful of years. Despite the endorsement of the RFL.
Edit - Biggs will need a bit of time to adjust, but i'd think roughly a couple of months and he'll be up to speed. The issue is more if you don't get him until mid-May.'"
I don't think we have a choice if we want to challenge consistently in the medium term. There's no option but to generate a pipeline of your own talent who are trained intensively and to the same system as the first team so players can slot in. Otherwise you're locked into continually bringing in average experienced journeymen on shorter deals whilst ignoring creating the nucleus of the side in 3-5 years time. I really hope the success of Lineham/Crooks etc, plus the 7 England academy lads is the first evidence of this change in emphasis and its results.
I agree about Biggs. Could be a very good signing, but hurry the feck up please.
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| Quote F.C. Aces="F.C. Aces"Oh dear that's a bit overboard, at least give the kid a chance first.
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I've got absolutely nothing personal against Tom Biggs, I'm sure he is a nice enough person and he plays at a decent level but doesn't set the world on fire by any stretch. Hull FC is a sports club that needs to be aiming high and this signing is the signing of a club aiming to be top 8 and nothing more.
That's the problem he isn't a kid, and as talented as some might think he is he'll still be 30 at the start of the 2015 campaign and if we decide to keep him he'll be taking up a decent amount of the salary cap (2 youngsters wages easy)and still not probably have played a single SL game, why aren't we looking at spending the time & energy elsewhere? Why do we need another winger when we have 3.
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| Quote knockersbumpMKII="knockersbumpMKII"I've got absolutely nothing personal against Tom Biggs, I'm sure he is a nice enough person and he plays at a decent level but doesn't set the world on fire by any stretch. Hull FC is a sports club that needs to be aiming high and this signing is the signing of a club aiming to be top 8 and nothing more.
That's the problem he isn't a kid, and as talented as some might think he is he'll still be 30 at the start of the 2015 campaign and if we decide to keep him he'll be taking up a decent amount of the salary cap (2 youngsters wages easy)and still not probably have played a single SL game, why aren't we looking at spending the time & energy elsewhere? Why do we need another winger when we have 3.'"
He will play some games this season I'll bet he plays a few games this year.
3 wingers isnt enough especially when one is average and out for a few months, another is great but does seem to pick up injuries easily and the other hasn't played for 2 years and will either be awful or average.
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| Quote knockersbumpMKII="knockersbumpMKII"I've got absolutely nothing personal against Tom Biggs, I'm sure he is a nice enough person and he plays at a decent level but doesn't set the world on fire by any stretch. Hull FC is a sports club that needs to be aiming high and this signing is the signing of a club aiming to be top 8 and nothing more.
That's the problem he isn't a kid, and as talented as some might think he is he'll still be 30 at the start of the 2015 campaign and if we decide to keep him he'll be taking up a decent amount of the salary cap (2 youngsters wages easy)and still not probably have played a single SL game, why aren't we looking at spending the time & energy elsewhere? Why do we need another winger when we have 3.'"
Biggs is off the cap as he is classed as an 'international standard' RU player. Yes his age isn't ideal, but he's a Hull lad and an FC fan, and I think his size and power will add something different to our team and suit our style of play.
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| Quote UllFC="UllFC"Biggs is off the cap as he is classed as an 'international standard' RU player. Yes his age isn't ideal, but he's a Hull lad and an FC fan, and I think his size and power will add something different to our team and suit our style of play.'"
where does it say that? Don't the players from 'new player pool' have to be under 23 to qualify?
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| Nope - international players from other code(s) that haven't played RL b4 !
AP sdtated repeatedly he is OFF the cap completely.
He will play half the games this year & gradually improve - but will be solid from Day One. Line speed, wrestling & positional play will be a challenge but sure he will go well.
All part of the HULL psyche.
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| Quote UllFC="UllFC"Biggs is off the cap as he is classed as an 'international standard' RU player. Yes his age isn't ideal, but he's a Hull lad and an FC fan, and I think his size and power will add something different to our team and suit our style of play.'"
He's about 5'10/11" and 12st 11lb ish so he's more Damian Blanch/Aaron Murphy but lighter. He's lighter than Jason Crookes so certainly not a winger that has size or power in that sense. That's not necessarily a bad thing but he'll be defending against bigger taller men much of the time and generally the "fashion" has been for powerful wingers because of all the work needed in clearing the line.
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| Quote ChrisH="ChrisH"He's about 5'10/11" and 12st 11lb ish so he's more Damian Blanch/Aaron Murphy but lighter. He's lighter than Jason Crookes so certainly not a winger that has size or power in that sense. That's not necessarily a bad thing but he'll be defending against bigger taller men much of the time and generally the "fashion" has been for powerful wingers because of all the work needed in clearing the line.'"
You have not mentioned that their's some big mother fooking Union wingers. who Biggs would have been up against to. 
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| Quote ChrisH="ChrisH"He's about 5'10/11" and 12st 11lb ish so he's more Damian Blanch/Aaron Murphy but lighter. He's lighter than Jason Crookes so certainly not a winger that has size or power in that sense. That's not necessarily a bad thing but he'll be defending against bigger taller men much of the time and generally the "fashion" has been for powerful wingers because of all the work needed in clearing the line.'"
Having watched him a few times there is 0 way he is in the 12 stone category! (Don't know where some of the heights and weights for players come from, i don't ever take them as certainty) eg Feka(never 6.1!!!!!!!!) He's pretty big and strong even in union terms.
He's a pretty built kid,and his strength and leg drive are great. Makes big metres after contact every time.
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Quote airliebird,runninglate!="airliebird,runninglate!"Having watched him a few times there is 0 way he is in the 12 stone category! (Don't know where some of the heights and weights for players come from, i don't ever take them as certainty) eg Feka(never 6.1!!!!!!!!) He's pretty big and strong even in union terms.
He's a pretty built kid,and his strength and leg drive are great. Makes big metres after contact every time.'"
It seems ChrisH could be correct
www.bathrugby.com/team/first-fif ... /tom-biggs
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Quote airliebird,runninglate!="airliebird,runninglate!"Having watched him a few times there is 0 way he is in the 12 stone category! (Don't know where some of the heights and weights for players come from, i don't ever take them as certainty) eg Feka(never 6.1!!!!!!!!) He's pretty big and strong even in union terms.
He's a pretty built kid,and his strength and leg drive are great. Makes big metres after contact every time.'"
It seems ChrisH could be correct
www.bathrugby.com/team/first-fif ... /tom-biggs
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Maybe right a few years ago. Saw this myself. Whilst looking it up ended up on a bath forum where fans were discussing how he is 'stacked' 'conditioned, big and fast' etc. Not usually words associated with 12 stone guys in a game where 16+stone guys are the norm.
I never trust clubs stats. Our own are ridiculous.
Got rich whiting at 100kilo but mikey Paea only at 104. In fact one of our smallest forwards (anyone met him in person? Absolute UNIT!!)
also has feka at 122!! Even at his biggest would struggle to hit that, certainly no where near now!!!
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Maybe right a few years ago. Saw this myself. Whilst looking it up ended up on a bath forum where fans were discussing how he is 'stacked' 'conditioned, big and fast' etc. Not usually words associated with 12 stone guys in a game where 16+stone guys are the norm.
I never trust clubs stats. Our own are ridiculous.
Got rich whiting at 100kilo but mikey Paea only at 104. In fact one of our smallest forwards (anyone met him in person? Absolute UNIT!!)
also has feka at 122!! Even at his biggest would struggle to hit that, certainly no where near now!!!
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