A rather large part. I think that's the only time I've ever seen Seymour make such a daft unforced error. He's normally fairly solid in that regard. Missing touch from a penalty is very poor, but that's one individual rather than a collective 'switching off'.

2008 St Helens 57 Wigan 16

2004 Bradford 54 St Helens 8 (11 first teamers rested..... how many injuries did we have??)



There have been plenty more as well.

18th June 2005 Leeds 70 Wigan 0

26th June 2005 Saints 75 Wigan 0

Can't be a big club either then

Leeds lost 42-6 at home to Wire last year. Didn't seem to do them any harm in the long run.

I can't give anything specific but just little things were the odd person has criticised and 4/5 posters have responded mentioning a new era etc. I have done it myself so I don't exclude myself. It's not a bad thing btw, more a refreshing change.



Danny Tickle has also come out and said today that we were poor and gave the game away early, so did Gentle yesterday. Which was my point, it was never a competition and that is the first time under Gentle, as I said in my original (certainly not damning) opening post. It was never about blame as such just pointing out a bad performance even allowing for all the reasons why.

I can partially see the inital point being raised. Whilst I fully expected a bit of a hiding, there were certain aspects I didn't expect and didn't like. I personally felt that we looked resigned to a pasting too early and didn't show as much fight as we should. Wigan are clearly a very good side, but some of the tries they scored (or at least the breaks they made that put them in a position to within the next few tackles) were done so too easily, regardless of the side we had out.



I actually thought the 12 points flattered us, it was Wigan getting sloppy and one of our scores was a breakaway interception as they toyed with us. We should also not forget that they bombed a couple of other chances, too, it could have easily been 60 yesterday.



I have every confidence things will be put right, but do think we should acknowledge that some of the problems yesterday were within our control.

They won a game. No doubt he'll disappear again once normal service has been resumed.

Not sure I would "blame" the coach but the performance yesterday was unacceptable IMO. To put things into perspective, that was the worst home defeat in our 147 years of existence. Wigan were good but I thought that the effort just wasn't there from us. We really didn't look mentally prepared for the game from the off. Added on to the similar 2nd half against hudds and things need to improve significantly against leeds or the season will disappear down the pan

Worst Hull teams have done better against better Wigan teams than yesterday.



I'm just glad Lauaki didn't score and do anything of note.

Think it was a bad result obviously but people really have to realise just how weak the team was especially with half backs who only have few games experience between them in super league.

fair enough, you are right in what you say, there were reasons that some (very few) offered more as excuses, being beaten by the better team on the day isn't a problem so long as you've done your best, and I believe, from what I have read and heard, that we did our upmost on Sunday.



I've yet to witness (or read about) a Gentle team that didn't try and didn't get motiviated at half time, we'll see how long that lasts (a long, long time I hope!)