Id start taylor and have bowden at 13, also start mini, and have the tank on the bench for the start of this one

An early guilty plea is not an admission of guilt? I'm honestly intrigued by your answer! How so?

Have a feeling Naughton will miss out and Steve Michaels back in

You're not genuinely that naive are you?





An EGP is used to ensure the minimum punishment rather than rely on the vagaries of a bent/incompetent disciplinary panel. All teams use them this way. A player's guilt or innocence has little to no bearing on the punishment he will receive so teams essentially opt out of the process by using the EGP.

early [uGUILTY[/u plea...clue in the name.

You've obviously been fortunate enough not to off sampled this countries justice system. People plead guilty everyday to offences, not because their guilty. But to safe a lot of hassle and money, complete joke, innocent until proven guilty no longer applies. Ellis maybe guilty, but the EGP is just the easy option, regardless if hull or ellis think innocent or not

You've got to be the most condescending person I've ever come across on a forum

it's a shame.



Anyway. A EGP is, factually an admission a guilt. I take your point they are used strategically by players, although I would argue that many players each week do argue their case as well. Given the Catalans game is so critically, even if you want to play guess the motive, I'd argue that Ellis knew that there was enough in it for a Grade B careless (keyword) contact to the head and admitted as much to minimise the penalty, if he had felt that there is no way it can be classified as that then he would have argued it, as he has in the past in fact.

Only one problem with that argument though. On the flip side clubs argue their case all the time, including in the past Hull and Gareth Ellis.

He was charged with reckless (which I don't think it was), can a charge be changed to careless?

Yeah, I noticed that as well. But it's Grade B, whereas "Reckless" is grade C. So I think they have just listed it incorrectly on the website.

Ah OK, didn't realise that. It's a shame to have lost him, but it could have been worse.

Quote Bal="Bal"Yeah, I noticed that as well. But it's Grade B, whereas "Reckless" is grade C. So I think they have just listed it incorrectly on the website.'" No, Ellis was charged under 15.1(a) which only has references to reckless. media.therfl.co.uk/docs/On%20Fie ... %20PDF.pdf Oddly enough..... 15.1(a) Trips, kicks or strikes another player 15.1(b) When tackling or attempting to tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent

Quote Bal="Bal"Yeah, I noticed that as well. But it's Grade B, whereas "Reckless" is grade C. So I think they have just listed it incorrectly on the website.'" No, Ellis was charged under 15.1(a) which only has references to reckless. media.therfl.co.uk/docs/On%20Fie ... %20PDF.pdf Oddly enough..... 15.1(a) Trips, kicks or strikes another player 15.1(b) When tackling or attempting to tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent